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Cobra Kai is to The Karate Kid as The Venture Bros. is to Johnny Quest (except y'know without all the other stuff in the VB mythos).

Purple

(She/Her)
So I've seen people talking about how this show Cobra Kai is surprisingly good, and having watched about a season and a half, I agree, but I was under the impression that it was like, a good compelling drama. And I mean, you can kinda make a case for that too, but MOSTLY it's a good black comedy taking the whole premise of The Karate Kid and calling out how absurd it is that anyone would actually be that emotionally invested in a regional children's karate tournament, and how there's no way anyone could remain interested in such as an adult without being some sort of totally lost in the past loser. Which would make it a mean-spirited parody if it weren't... also an actual direct continuation with basically every remaining living actor coming back to play the same characters.

So, the general all around '80s teen movie bully/star pupil of the Evil Karate School from yon 1984 sports movie is our protagonist, and we are straight up stating that losing that particular annual regional karate tournament for children is the defining moment of his life from which he has never recovered, and never will. And aside from having a kid he never sees at some point in there he never really tried to do anything else with his life, to the extent of never owning a computer, listening to any new music, or watching any new movies or TV, just assuming human culture peaked in the mid-80s and shutting out the world to the point where he basically just Rip Van Winkled into a 55 year-old while still being a mid-80s high school bully.

And he's just great. Like every line out of his mouth is a solid joke where the punchline is that he really is that dumb/naive/sexist/convinced he is a cool badass.

Who also manages to be a likable, generally morally righteous protagonist, in that special way that's really only possible if you are a ridiculous cartoon character.

Meanwhile the protagonist of The Karate Kid who ruined his whole life path by beating him once in a small annual regional karate competition for children has grown up to be... a fairly successful used car salesman who heavily leans on how he's locally known for winning that karate tournament as a teenager and putting karate based puns in his ads and giving out bonsai trees to customers and everyone kinda low key thinks the whole gimmick is kinda weird and sad and culturally appropriative.

Anyway, this intially pretty convoluted and eventually just increasingly convoluted series of events involving an ever-growing group of teenage kids and repeated damage to various bits of property gets our protagonist into a mindset that the best thing he can do with his life is to mentor some random kid he bumped into in the only way he knows how- Reestablishing the local Evil Karate Dojo with him as the only student and also not being particularly actually evil this time, but definitely being stylistically evil because like black gi with snakes on the back are just cool lookin' and the evil motto makes sense as life advice when you are a huge loser who peaked in high school as a villainous karate rival.

And then The Karate No Longer A Kid sees the name and is all NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I must drop everything I'm doing and ignore my pretty successful career and family to do everything in my power to stop the terror that is The Evil Karate Dojo from spreading its dark influence across the land once more! Typically rationalizing this Quixotic crusade by reminding everyone that when he was a teenager like 4 kids once pushed him down a hill and that's definitely the sort of thing that must be being taught in there. To this one pretty good-hearted harmless kid.

And from there the whole thing is basically just these two tumbling towards mutually assured destruction while everyone else in the world is still just baffled at all the energy and financial resources they're devoting to a conflict that has so little actual motive behind it for either of them that they pretty regularly start to bury the hatchet and become friends but then the ridiculous teen drama ball bounces over to make a fresh compelling case to each of them that no the other secretly IS totally evil and plotting against them and they must continue their convoluted plot for revenge that must involve teenage karate rivals fighting in a tournament to represent their opposed ideologies that they both sheepishly kind of admit they're mostly just winging form fuzzy childhood memories.

But yeah the whole show is super self-aware about it and just reveling in how pathetic they both are.

Also the ever-growing cast of teens is pretty consistently likeable and they manage to keep throwing a ton of fuel on the drama fire without the entirely too typical problem in shows that keep throwing drama at people to stop them from being friends of arbitrary secret keeping, instead going for the much more fun absurdly ridiculous coincidences. Like "I genuinely had no idea that my child destroyed your car and then I also accidentally adopted your child, these things just happen sometimes!"

Oh and also the teen swarm just kinda naturally turn into just like... straight up beat'em up enemies having ninja fights in the street as a natural byproduct of the arbitrary conflict and that's also just really fun.
 

lincolnic

can stop, will stop
(he/him)
I didn't have the slightest bit of interest in this show, but your write-up may have just convinced me to give it a shot. Thank you for this.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
Having devoured and delighted in every moment of this series, I can safely say that Purple is not embellishing anything in terms of tone or content.

I am half expecting someone to throw a Hadouken before the final episode
 

SpoonyBard

Threat Rhyme
(He/Him)
This show is at its best when it leans in to the absurdity. But it has depended on just enough teenage angst for its drama that there is this persistent nagging sense of dischord when I watch it.

So I'm at this place now where I just want to see ridiculous karate antics but there's also this small voice in the back of my mind saying shouldn't like all of Cobra Kai be arrested after that home invasion? How on earth have charges not been brought against Kreese? and that largely comes from this divided tone the show sometimes has.
 
Also - how many times is Daniel going to like, in a huff, show up at Cobra Kai to have a terse discussion with whomever?

The answer is: many
 

muteKi

Geno Cidecity
If there's a better argument against nostalgia pandering than this show I'd love to see it. I don't mean this as a knock on the series for the reasons Purple has already said.
 

Purple

(She/Her)
It really is just downright paradoxical how much love AND hate (but especially hate) it has for the original movies.
 

Purple

(She/Her)
Having now finished the 3 presently existing seasons of this, yes it's still very good and I have further random thoughts/sales pitches:

Hands down the best actual character arc is the one kid who everyone makes fun of for his highligh visible cleft palette surgery scar, which the protagonist also makes fun of and says he'll be stuck with for life if he doesn't offset it with something even more noticeable like a crazy face tattoo or an eyepatch or something, at which point he promptly storms off, his spirit evidently crushed, only to show up again the next day having fully taken that to heart and getting a giant brightly dyed mohawk. Which totally works as advertised and he becomes like the coolest kid in school and people start calling him Hawk.

And then this happens.
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Of course then, season 2 spoilers I suppose, he just kinda progressively becomes more and more semi-arbitrarily evil to the point of being the most irredeemably cartoonishly villainous character other than the grown adult who shows up that season and just straight up wants to turn everyone into a murderous street gang or possibly army of neo-nazi child soldiers.

And then by the end of season 3, he finally flicks off the evil switch right in the middle of a big set-piece finale brawl and yay I can go back to enjoying Best Child without the moral complication of him going all pure evil. Which unfortunately I can't do with Second Best Child who's just really cool and sympathetically jaded except for the bit where she keeps trying to literally murder like half the cast with nearly no actual real motive.

Also in season 3, due to the whole bit where a Metal Gear villain shows up to recruit most of the kids as murderous child-soldiers and all the protagonist has a brainstorming session to rebrand with "the only animal badass enough to take down a snake" and presents the most amazing of logos:
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FelixSH

(He/Him)
I started watching this (had it in the back of my head, thanks to this thread). Love it, it's amazing. Wanted to watch one episode, watched five, because I couldn't stop, and only did because I have some stuff to do.

It's hilarious, and also feels quite good. I'm, like always, conflicted when I see bullies finally get beaten up by their former victim. Violence isn't the solution and all that, I shouldn't like that. But bullies are horrible people, watching scenes like that just feels good.

Can't wait to watch more. Thanks for the thread!
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Have taken a long break, for no reason at all, and am now in the middle of season 3.

Season 2s ending was just mean. And now, the show is so sad, there is always some horrible person doing some horrible stuff. There is still a lot of dumb, stupid, fun stuff that happens, and that people do and say, but I'm so tired of people bullying others. Really takes the fun out of the show.

Oh, just saw the part where Daniel shows the other car-guy the middle finger, because he and his wife have a plan to save their business. Which consists of simply going to Japan and talking with their former partners, which doesn't work, of course. Plan, yeah, right.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Great season. They toned down the intensity of the violence, and there is general less of the stuff, where bullies attack other people at work or at home. Nearly nothing of that, which I'm grateful for.

Elsewise, it still got the same humor and is basically the same show it always was. The tournament battles were great (as all the battles in this show are, they are so nicely choreographed), and probably come closest to a tournament battle in the original Dragonball. Like, I know nothing about Karate in real life, but the battles seem realistic enough to me, and feel like this is what you get, if you took the battle of Roshi vs Goku or Tenshinhan vs Goku and take out the fantastical stuff. Really fun and exciting to watch.

Also, the last episode was amazing and made me go "Aww" a few times, because heartwarming things happened. They humanized a few characters who were basically just EVIL, up to now. Including super evil Cobra Kai coach, which blew my mind. As did the twist at the end, were EVIL coachs friend betrayed him, and leads Cobra Kai now in a superevil way, I guess.

But ANGRY GIRL finally got some help and found parts of her humanity, which gave me joy. ANGRY BOY finally got over his daddy issues, and they hugged.


Sorry, I'm just really bad with names. Point is, I love this show and this season. Looking forward to S5.
 

madhair60

Video games
I started watching this and it rules. I took a break to watch the actual Karate Kid movies. They were good too. Mostly 1 and 3. The second one is kinda eh
 

muteKi

Geno Cidecity
Karate Kid 2 is very "I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)"
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Yeah, I appreciated that they tried to do something different from the first movie, but it didn't work for me. Turned it off somewhere in the middle. That said, the third one didn't work for me either. *shrug* Do love the firsth, though.
 

SpoonyBard

Threat Rhyme
(He/Him)
Finally got around to watching Season 4.

Much like how Season 3 seemed to move to address some lingering issues from Season 2, but then just made more of its own, Season 4 does address some issues from Season 3. Specially I'm thinking of how BS it is that Tori keeps getting away with literal crimes and how the track she's on just isn't sustainable in a setting where there is still, ostensibly, law enforcement and consequences. The break-in and attack at the LaRusso's isn't hand-waved, exactly, we DO see the family adjusting with an intrusive security system early on but after one or two mentions it's never considered again. At the very least the break-in is treated like a big enough deal and is the apex of the BS Tori gets away with. She doesn't so much face consequences this season as finally take a step back and re-examine her path. Which is good because if they escalated from the end of Season 3 the only place for Tori to go would probably be straight up murder and it would kind of put a damper on the funtimes karate nonsense, y'know?

There was also the one appearance of Aisha, which really felt like a rush add to the season. As if they were not expecting there to be as large an outcry from her removal in Season 3 as there was and hastily added in a scene for her in Season 4. She was a fairly important link in the Sam/Tori rivalry, not to mention one of Johnny's good students who likely would have gone with him to Eagle Fang if she stayed, so it was good to see her, even if all she did was give Sam advice on how to better deal with Tori, which she went on to immediately ignore. Good talk, Sam.

But anyway, fun season over all. Terry Silver was a great antagonist to watch chew some scenery, and the surprise reveal of Chozen appearing again after his cameo last season at the end there is a neat hook. (can we get Hilary Swank to pop in before this show concludes just to complete the classic Karate Kid movie loop?)

I am really getting tired of Danny and Johnny nearly coming to terms but then exploding at each other over some minor transgression or misunderstanding or whatever, though. They held it together this season for several episodes, which is a new record for them but in the end still ended up fighting and splitting up for the latter half, but then make up AGAIN in the finale. Can't wait to see what stupid argument splits them up again next time!
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Found out that season 4 was out, decided to watch one or two episodes and, uh, watched the whole thing in one go. Loved it, as always, even though I miss the time when this all was just a dumb rivalry between two guys, stuck in the past. Maybe I'll write something longer another day, when it's not nearly midnight, but for now, I just want to say that it became quite a bit more Shonen Anime. Which fit the show nicely, it has the best Dragonball fights I have ever seen, in a non-animated show. I mean, it's anime in more than just the fight scenes.
 

SpoonyBard

Threat Rhyme
(He/Him)
Just finished Season 5 and it really is the best season of the show by far, mainy because it seems to directly address all of my main criticisms of previous seasons:

-No more Danny/Johnny wheel spinning with them starting to pal up only for a disagreement or misinderstanding to bring them back to square one.

-Actual consequences for a change!

-Very little focus on teen relationship drama. It's still there and is relevant in places but nowhere near as front and center as it used to be.

The fights are great, Silver makes a great over the top central baddie, Chozen was fantastically used all season, characters actually grow and fences are mended, and it still ends with enough hooks for a sixth season if it gets one but still feels satisfying as an ending if this is it.

Biggest weakness of the season, however, are the very first two episodes unfortunately. The Miguel searching for his father subplot goes absolutely nowhere and just kind of wastes time. If anything should have been cut or rewritten in S5 it's that.

Still though, great fun. A+ Karate times.
 

Purple

(She/Her)
Yeah, I really figured with the whole "sees a photo of him and his mom on his phone thing" they were setting up for him to pop up unexpectedly as a new villain later. Which... I guess they could if they do another season, but... if we're actually setting up another season we wouldn't have gone and resolved every single plotline involving those wacky violent teens. Especially not in such a frankly haphazard way.

Like, hey, sure, the main appeal of the show is watching over the hill karate-obsessed losers be walking train wrecks, but I ALSO want to see teenagers becoming a new generation of karate obsessed losers who nearly kill each other. This was a nearly Hawk-free season, and there wasn't ANY accidental stealing of anyone's father-roles! If they weren't trying to bring it all in for a nice clean ending, they are SLIPPING.
 
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