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Talking Time Presents: The Top 60 Video Game Enemies Exhibit at the Valdez Museum of Video Game Box Art
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I've never heard this theory before. It does make a little bit of sense given that so many of FF1's bestiary was ripped right out of the D&D Monster Manual. But I'm dubious since FF1 didn't include a monster that was overtly based on the Beholder. It did have a couple of eyeball beasties, but the closest was this one:
Which has the toothy mouth, but none of the other characteristic features.
Were there actual documented legal issues from TSR after FF1 used some D&D monsters?
They're not dogs. Probably a cat though, that definitely tracks.
Funny you mention that...as I covered this on my Culture Clash! article about Final Fantasy.I've never heard this theory before. It does make a little bit of sense given that so many of FF1's bestiary was ripped right out of the D&D Monster Manual. But I'm dubious since FF1 didn't include a monster that was overtly based on the Beholder. It did have a couple of eyeball beasties, but the closest was this one:
Which has the toothy mouth, but none of the other characteristic features.
Were there actual documented legal issues from TSR after FF1 used some D&D monsters?
I got that from TCRF.
Article:
Culture Clash!: Final Fantasy/Fainaru Fantajī (NES, Famicom)
Study 25 – Final Fantasy/Fainaru Fantajī (NES/Famicom, Square) Final Fantasy is unarguably one of the best known franchises in gaming history, with 15 main installments to date and a plethora of si…
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It's as good as confirmed. Kyōji Koizumi, who has worked with Kawazu on many SaGa games, related on Twitter in 2010 that Kawazu devised the Malboro as a replacement for Beholders.
December 1987: Final Fantasy is released with many monsters lifted from D&D, including Beholders.
March 1988: The manga Bastard!! debuts. The publisher famously gets into trouble with TSR, Inc. for using a Beholder in an early chapter, forcing the art and dialogue to be changed in reprints.
December 1988: Final Fantasy II is released with Malboros as a replacement for Beholders.
1990: The NES version of Final Fantasy is released with altered graphics for Beholder and its palette-swap Death Beholder (also renamed EYE and PHANTOM).
1994: The Final Fantasy I∙II collection is released on Famicom. Beholder and Death Beholder use their NES graphics.
2000: The WonderSwan Color remake of Final Fantasy is released. The graphics for Beholder and Death Beholder are based on their NES designs, and they are renamed Evil Eye and Death Eye. These changes hold for all subsequent versions.
After reviewing the wiki I have to admit those stalks got eyeballs. Maybe they are black market Beholders but I dunno. Regardless of little stalky eyes a Beholder is mostly big eyeball and a Malboro is mostly a big mouth.
Edit: Ah well. There you have it I guess.
Edit: Ah well. There you have it I guess.
Not a knee, but perhaps a mouth...
A mouth is the nose of the knee
The knee is the nose of the leg.
Legs are pronounced Lead, Flawg
Anyway if Malboros are knockoff Beholders, what does that make Ahrimans?
And I'm amused that Square would avoid one trademark infringement, only to use a name just one letter away from a major cigar company's major product.
My favorite variety has to be the FFXV one, as the things are just monumental, but I'm still disappointed at the FFXII ones for being so tiny. The crowns and mustaches are funny, but I can't take them seriously enough to laugh at the mustache when there's hardly any juxtaposition between the menace and the cuteness.
And I'm amused that Square would avoid one trademark infringement, only to use a name just one letter away from a major cigar company's major product.
My favorite variety has to be the FFXV one, as the things are just monumental, but I'm still disappointed at the FFXII ones for being so tiny. The crowns and mustaches are funny, but I can't take them seriously enough to laugh at the mustache when there's hardly any juxtaposition between the menace and the cuteness.
Maybe that's HOW you say it in Canada but in civilized lands it isn't, Octo.
No, I think it looks like a Moruboru, too
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Everybody loves sine waves!
I feel a tangent about to begin...
Moves predictably but in a way that makes you stop and think about what you're doing. Balances the danger it presents and how hard it can be to hit by dying in one hit. Pairs well with hazards and other enemies as an added distraction. Symphony of the Night added a variant that can petrify the player character, but they were still just a minor annoyance in the non-linear games until Aria of Sorrow, where the map designers realized they could line the bottom of vertical shafts with defense-ignoring spikes to simulate the feeling of getting pitched into a bottomless pit. An extremely good, sound, memorable design.