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If It’s So Final Why Are We Listing 21 Of Them? The Top Numbered Final Fantasies Nomination Thread

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
Back in 1987, a small company called Square was in so dire financial straits that every game it published could be its last. It was then that a young unpopular producer named Hironobu Sakaguchi, joined by programmer Nasir and composer Nobuo Uematsu, developed a game to try and change the studio’s fate and take the videogame world by storm. That game? It was JJ: Tobidase Daisakusen Part II, a semi-sequel to 3D World Runner, and didn’t do well. But their *next* game, Final Fantasy, became a success - it as so popular that we’re still talking about it several decades and nearly a hundred sequel and spin-offs later.

Yes, a hundred; there have been a lot of Final Fantasy games. But not all Final Fantasies are equal - most of them are spin-offs referencing the concepts established on the main entries of the series, those with a coveted roman numeral in the title. We’re here to talk about those, the numbered Finals Fantasy, and the direct sequels to those.

Together, we will find out which one is Talking Time’s favorite Numbered Final Fantasy.

Yes, favorite. I mean, we all agree in which game is the best, right? No controversy there. But we’re talking about the one you like the most – send me a list with your favorite Final Fantasii, ranked, and I’ll tally the votes and we’ll find out which ones are the 21 most liked, and which one sits at the top of that list.

But first, some

Rules:

  • Send me a list with up to 20 of your favorite numbered Final Fantasy entries in a PM, ranked. Comments are optional, but I might use yours if you include one!
  • This is supposed to be a short list, so only numbered entries from the main series (and their direct sequels) count. I mean that. No spin-offs. That leaves out Tactics, Theatrhythm, Dissidia, Mario Hoops 3-on-3 and Whatever Made-up Name young people are playing on their blasted mobile phones nowadays.
    I know this rule becomes a bit hard to enforce when it comes down to Compilations and in some cases it will be a clear case (no, "Final Fantasy VII: The First Soldier" is not a FFVII sequel) and in some cases it won’t be (is "Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core" a direct sequel? I say it isn’t, but you can reasonably argue otherwise). Just vote, and I will cross that bridge when and if we get down to it.
  • Ports and remasters will be grouped together, but full-on remakes will be counted separately if they change the base game considerably. So FFIV and FFIVDS count as separate entries, for example. Again, we might run into some grey areas here, but just clarify if you’re voting for a particular version of a FF and why and let me sort it out.
  • MMOs count as one single entry (mostly because playing, say, the version that was live in July 2018 is impossible now) so no voting for a specific expansion, you’re voting for the game as a whole.
  • Votes will be counted using the standard system (first one gets 35 points, second one 34, and so on). Ties will be broken by the number of mentions.
The voting period starts today, and I’ll be closing the polls the day after Top 50 Pokemon ends. I’ll make sure to post a reminder in this thread and in Discord.

May your Favorite Fantasy be the Finalest!
 

Purple

(She/Her)
So just to be clear as I try to think how to hit a full 20- Stuff like Free Enterprise is off the table, yes?
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
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So just to be clear as I try to think how to hit a full 20- Stuff like Free Enterprise is off the table, yes?
Afraid so - official releases only.

(to clarify further - yes, this means After Years and Revenant Wings do count by merit of them being official canon sequels)

(I bet this is the first time in years half the forum has thought about Revenant Wings in a decade. Didn't want to name drop them to prevent the vote from being Influenced but, oh well)
 
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FelixSH

(He/Him)
Well, I needed to send a list, but it is basically nonsense. I mean, the four I put into the top spots are there for a reason, and can probably be interchanged. But then, it's very random and could probably be ordered in a bunch of different ways. I tried, but I love them all. Really hard, but I couldn't not participate here.
 

Falselogic

Lapsed Threadcromancer
(they/them)
I will try to put something together but the plate before me.

It's a lot to take in
 

JBear

Internet's foremost Bertolli cosplayer
(He/Him)
I will try to put something together but the plate before me.

It's a lot to take in
Pictured: FL trying to rank his Fantasies Final:

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Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Not hard for me. I've only finished, like, three of them, I think. Not even my #1 despite three playthroughs where I got to the last boss and then... things came up.
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
(he/him)
I’m definitely intending to submit a list, just been busy with the other list and holidays. Soon!
 

Destil

DestilG
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Staff member
Oh, different remakes are allowed? So like

Final Fantasy IV (Super Famicom)
Final Fantasy IV (SNES)
Final Fantasy IV (Easy Type Super Famicom)
Final Fantasy IV (Playstation)
Final Fantasy IV Advanced
Final Fantasy IV (3D)
Final Fantasy IV (Complete Collection (just FFIV though, not After Years or Interlude))
Final Fantasy IV Pixel Remaster

Are all different?
 
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JBear

Internet's foremost Bertolli cosplayer
(He/Him)
Ports and remasters will be grouped together, but full-on remakes will be counted separately if they change the base game considerably. So FFIV and FFIVDS count as separate entries, for example. Again, we might run into some grey areas here, but just clarify if you’re voting for a particular version of a FF and why and let me sort it out.
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
Oh, different remakes are allowed? So like

Final Fantasy IV (Super Famicom)
Final Fantasy IV (SNES)
Final Fantasy IV (Easy Type Super Famicom)
Final Fantasy IV (Playstation)
Final Fantasy IV Advanced
Final Fantasy IV (3D)
Final Fantasy IV (Complete Collection (just FFIV though, not After Years or Interlude))
Final Fantasy IV Pixel Remaster

Are all different?
I'd say only IVDS is its own entry here. Every other version is basically the same, since the changes don't change the base experience that much besides difficulty or QoL, while IV DS changes things a lot. You think Easy Type is different enough from Super Famicon to warrant its own entry?
 

Falselogic

Lapsed Threadcromancer
(they/them)
I just re-read the OP, is FFMQ excluded from this? If so, I just lost like half my noms.
 

Mogri

Round and round I go
(he)
Staff member
Moderator
Just Final Fantasies with numbers (plus Final Fantasy for some bogus reason).
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
Just Final Fantasies with numbers (plus Final Fantasy for some bogus reason).
Final Fantasy I was numbered post-release. Blame yourself or Square's marketing department.

(to be clear, direct sequels to numbered FFs count even if these sequels weren't numbered, like The After Years or Lightning Returns, but FFMQ is out since it was never numbered in the first place. Which is a pity or it'd be in my Top 5, but I don't make the rules)
 
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Final Fantasy I waa numbered post-release. Blame yourself or Square's marketing de partment.

(to be clear, direct sequels to numbered FFs count even if these sequels weren't numbered, like The After Years or Lightning Returns, but FFMQ is out since it was never numbered in the first place. Which is a pity or it'd be in my Top 5, but I don't make the rules)

FFMQ should count if you call if FFV:USA, like how Super Mario Bros 2 is Super Mario Bros USA in Japan.

(The Japanese title doesn't include the V, but come on we all know that's what it is. Benjamin is obviously Butz!)

((I wouldn't put in my list, personally.))

(((This is just a joke, please let's not seriously debate this.)))
 
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Destil

DestilG
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Staff member
Let's see, I think I did make one mistake as Advance and Complete are the same game ported, but every other one of those is mechanically distinct (which is why I listed 3D and not 3DS, given the later ports are just upresed).

Personally I would go with:
IV (IV F, II SNES, Easy, PS1, Pixel Remaster)
IV Advance (GBA, Complete - adds cave of ordeals, switchable party for the endgame, extra endgame bosses)
IV 3D (very different game)

And I will will somehow deal with that somehow a vote for Final Fantasy II (SNES): the most well paced RPG ever made, is getting counted for FFIV: a game where you have to inventory manage fangs and other garbage every other dungeon and half the characters have commands that don't do anything.
 

JBear

Internet's foremost Bertolli cosplayer
(He/Him)
I somehow doubt that all of the folks that have already submitted lists over the past few weeks have bothered to make that fine-grain a distinction (and frankly, I don't think it's a meaningful one in this context), so you'd likely be throwing one of your votes away. I could talk all day about which versions of FFIV I prefer and why, and there are definitely meaningful distinctions between all of the various ports and remasters, but they are fundamentally all the same game in a way that, say, FF3 and FF7 are not, which is the context/lens we've viewing these games through at the moment. I would suggest that if these differences are important to you, then the time to highlight and discuss those differences is when the game is featured on the list, and not at time of voting.
 
Ok, so this is a minorly trolly question but it's worth asking because otherwise I will waste a spot on my list on it:

Does FF7: Advent Children count?

I very carefully read through the rules and nowhere in your rules do you actually state requirements that our list candidates be 'games' - just proper 'entries' to the franchise and their sequels.
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
Ok, so this is a minorly trolly question but it's worth asking because otherwise I will waste a spot on my list on it:

Does FF7: Advent Children count?

I very carefully read through the rules and nowhere in your rules do you actually state requirements that our list candidates be 'games' - just proper 'entries' to the franchise and their sequels.
Godammit, we should have closed that loophole.

AC would go against the spirit of the list, not the letter. I'd accept it but you'd be wasting a vote, I think.
 
Reading the OP, you'd really have to deliberately misinterpret the second paragraph to take away that this is about anything but the video games.
 
FF is very obviously a video game franchise first and foremost, and the rules about numbered entries and their sequels automatically preclude most multimedia offshoots. Which is why I didn't ask about FFXV Kingsglaive/Brotherhood (technically prequels despite being companion pieces that are borderline quintessential to understand the story) or the 1994 OVAs that are sequels to FFV but whose canonicity are dubious. I think it's fun to find edge cases (Sorry for being a shitter), but I do actually like AC (I'm weird like that) and it's both an important milestone in the franchise (for better or worse) as well as a bonafide sequel that further sequels reference and build upon and thought it worth seeking clarification.
 
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