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Old 05-24-2016, 08:32 AM
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The main issue is he was caught only like a year and a half ago, and gave the most non of apologies. He isn't sorry for what he did.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:33 AM
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Take it or leave it, but Sims at the very least issued one of the more honest and thorough condemnations of his own behavior that I've read.

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If youíve been reading my work for long enough, then you probably remember that I had what I used to refer to as a ďfeudĒ with Valerie DíOrazio a few years ago. Thatís the wrong word, since it was more one-sided than anything else, and I was in no uncertain terms the aggressor and a complete jerk.

I was needlessly harsh about her comics work, I left jerky comments on her site, I talked trash here and elsewhere, and while in my head I justified it as as purely being critical of her writing, I know I stepped over the line into making it a personal attack more than once. What I said is a matter of public record, and frankly, my intentions at the time donít change what I actually did. At best, I was making someoneís life harder when I had no reason to, and at worst I was giving others a reason to do the same that went far beyond just me being an asshole and contributed to and validated the harassment of both Ms. DíOrazio and of women in general. When I finally realized that, long after I shouldíve, I stopped, and Iíve tried to be better going forward.

Iíve never apologized for it, for the simple reason that I donít think I have the right to insert myself back into someoneís life when Iíve treated them as poorly as I did to her, but I regret what I did. This is not a plea for forgiveness, or a clean slate. If what I did changes how you feel about me and my work, thatís completely understandable; I was wrong, and in every way the bad guy.

In the few interactions that Iíve had with Ms. DíOrazio, she has treated me far better than I would have if the situation was reversed.
As he says himself, it's understandable if you don't want to support him anymore because of this. But I think we would be better off if more harassers came around to this kind of blanket condemnation of their own behavior.

(It's not that he was only "caught" a year and a half ago. It wasn't a secret. It was that, in light of more awareness about this as a pattern of harassment in nerd communities, something people overlooked at the time resurfaced, with good reason.)
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:37 AM
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Looks like I misremembered some of the details.

That said, it resurfaced because the woman he harrassed the shit out of started complaining again when he got a high profile gig. It wasn't just something somebody noticed randomly.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:41 AM
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When someone suddenly gets a bigger spotlight than they had previously is often a time someone with a bone to pick will speak up, yes.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:43 AM
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Yes. And the heightened awareness of harassment in nerd communities brought more attention to her long standing allegations, which lead Sims to publicly address them in that blanket condemnation of his past behavior.

You don't have to like or support him, of course.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:47 AM
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I can't agree more.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:52 AM
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I'm reading through this now and it's so good. I especially liked the arc about why he grew up with a single dad. It starts off teasing domestic abuse by his dad, then reveals that his mom had a super bad case of postpartum depression and dealt with it by running away and becoming a nun, and never went back because she was afraid her son would reject her. It was really well done, and made the arc more about his mom as a person than anything else.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:59 AM
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Yeah, that was really good. Also a good confirmation of the overall decency of Jack Murdock that he was able to instill in Matt.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:10 AM
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Yeah, that was really good. Also a good confirmation of the overall decency of Jack Murdock that he was able to instill in Matt.
My first reaction to it was "oh no here we go" but then the arc totally sold me on it. It was kind of anti-fridging? Like, making it look like it was going to be an arc all about men and their motivations that actually wound up being about the inner lives of women?

And then there's all the other stuff from that run, like Foggy's battle with cancer - and the adorable strip where he's taking care of a bunch of kids in the cancer ward. I never had much interest in historical "piles of bodies, everyone I know dies" Daredevil, but whatever this is? I like it.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:20 AM
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It says something where the run that has Matt being disbarred and his best friend getting cancer is the lightest it's been in decades.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:32 AM
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I didn't say Sims should read the soles of my red wings

Anyone with a brain knows that you stomp that stay puft looking motherfucker he would just pop back like a stress ball
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:18 AM
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Lotta anger there for someone I doubt you spoken to, AV.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:49 AM
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Lotta anger there for someone I doubt you spoken to, AV.
It is fatuous to imply that I would derive any enjoyment from Mr. Sims' being locked in the crucifix by Gary Goodridge and elbowed insensate, or greased up and dropped into one of those roller grinders like they use on roadkill.

These charges are false, and I condemn them.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:54 AM
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Because I'm a weirdo, since I got into Marvel comics three years ago I've been reading a whole bunch of different stuff to build up my knowledge base of the universe over its last fifteen years of existence instead of just buying new titles. It's resulted in a huge backlog of books I haven't read yet, and I'm still a few years behind on basically everything.

Some of my favorite things I've read from this period:

Bendis, Brubaker, and Waid's Daredevil
Brubaker's Captain America and Winter Soldier
Hickman's Fantastic Four and FF
Abnett and Lanning's cosmic stuff (Annihilation, Nova, Guardians, etc.)
Slott's Spider-Man
Gillen's Journey Into Mystery (Thor spinoff starring Loki)
Morrison and Whedon's X-Men
Reading Waid's Daredevil now and quite enjoying it. Love the Silver Age feel.

I tried reading some of Morrison's X-Men (E is for Extinction) but just could not get into it. Didn't enjoy the art and the writing felt stilted, lacking flow from panel to panel. Am I missing something or is it just not for me?
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I've read like 30 issues of Morrison's new x-men and I walked away convinced that everyone was insane for liking his work so much.
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The best X-Men is All-New X-Men, because '60s X-Men showing up in the present and looking at themselves after 40 years of continuity and going "Man, why did we become total assholes? This makes no fucking sense." is the best. Yes, X-Men, you're right! This makes no fucking sense! Your future selves are suffering through decades of incompetent writing and editorial interference! Thank you!
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It helps if you think of there being two entirely different writers named Grant Morrison, one good, and one evil. Otherwise your have to accept that the same guy who made All-Star Superman and JLA also made The Invisibles. And such a thought may drive one to madness.

As for New X-Men, I like the bit early on when Cyclops takes a time-out from the exciting Supervillain fight to talk about his relationship with Jean, as prompted by hallucinatory bugs.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:03 PM
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I've read like 30 issues of Morrison's new x-men and I walked away convinced that everyone was insane for liking his work so much.
Yeah, I'm trying to force myself through it because its supposedly where they killed off Jean Grey forever and it is a bear to push through.
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It helps if you think of there being two entirely different writers named Grant Morrison, one good, and one evil. Otherwise your have to accept that the same guy who made All-Star Superman and JLA also made The Invisibles. And such a thought may drive one to madness.

As for New X-Men, I like the bit early on when Cyclops takes a time-out from the exciting Supervillain fight to talk about his relationship with Jean, as prompted by hallucinatory bugs.
I read the first JLA trade he did as well. It didn't offend my tastes, but it was at best kind of bland. I mean I can see why people like it, but... It's just boring to me.

Then I read his Marvel Boy and all I could think was "Boy howdy he sure likes his bdsm don't he"

Then I read half of All Star Superman and was like "Okay this is good but not great."

In conclusion I feel my original take was correct. I plan to revisit it with Animal Man and Arkham Asylum later, as those are by far his two most loved works.
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As for New X-Men, I like the bit early on when Cyclops takes a time-out from the exciting Supervillain fight to talk about his relationship with Jean, as prompted by hallucinatory bugs.
Yeah, that was super weird.
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It helps if you think of there being two entirely different writers named Grant Morrison, one good, and one evil. Otherwise your have to accept that the same guy who made All-Star Superman and JLA also made The Invisibles. And such a thought may drive one to madness.

As for New X-Men, I like the bit early on when Cyclops takes a time-out from the exciting Supervillain fight to talk about his relationship with Jean, as prompted by hallucinatory bugs.
Oh, also, it introduced Beak; a guy whose superpower is that he looks like a bird. Not that he can fly, nor that he has sharp talons or a bird-like sense of morality or anything like that. He just looks like a bird.

And he's made an X-Man because Beast feels bad for him and figures that being made an honest-to-goodness superhero would give his self-confidence a boost.
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The best X-Men is All-New X-Men, because '60s X-Men showing up in the present and looking at themselves after 40 years of continuity and going "Man, why did we become total assholes? This makes no fucking sense." is the best. Yes, X-Men, you're right! This makes no fucking sense! Your future selves are suffering through decades of incompetent writing and editorial interference! Thank you!
Um.

How... how far into ANX have you read? Many people threw the book through a wall when we got to Battle of the Atom.
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I agree on the inconsistent art. I also see how it wouldn't appeal to some people at all. I think it had a lot of weird, interesting ideas and it clearly had a big impact on the X stories going forward. There's not a lot in the years that followed that can't be traced back to it in some way.
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Um.

How... how far into ANX have you read? Many people threw the book through a wall when we got to Battle of the Atom.
Post-SW ANX has been better. Battle of the Atom was the start of the "too many crossovers" year or more of ANX (Black Vortex was much worse than BotA).
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It helps if you think of there being two entirely different writers named Grant Morrison, one good, and one evil. Otherwise your have to accept that the same guy who made All-Star Superman and JLA also made The Invisibles. And such a thought may drive one to madness.
I actually really love The Invisibles though it is completely an artifact Of Its Time.

New X-men wasn't perfect, but it modernized the X-men and brought in some really exciting ideas into mainstream superhero comics. Also, Scott and Emma are 100000x more interesting and real together than Scott and Jean.

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As for New X-Men, I like the bit early on when Cyclops takes a time-out from the exciting Supervillain fight to talk about his relationship with Jean, as prompted by hallucinatory bugs.
that's actually my favorite bit of the first part of New X-Men, because it serves as a marvelous, hilarious, and succinct parody of the Scott/Jean relationship in toto. BEHOLD:



I've posted this panel at least twice before to this forum and I'll be damned if I won't do it again.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:36 PM
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Somewhere there's an alternate universe where Claremont's every effort to enact permanent character growth and change didn't get walked back by editorial mandate and/or other writers wanting to revert the status quo to how it was when they were kids.
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Scott x Jean had to be sacrificed, because it was such a remnant of when Jean was The Girl and Scott was The Team Leader, and therefore The Team Leader needed to date The Girl.
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I can understand the complaints about New X-Men for inconsistent art, but the Morrison/Quitely issues are amazing. Some of that other art really gets in the way of the comic, especially Portacio on the last story and that dude whose name escapes me through the middle, but that only slightly muddies what is one of the best runs the X-Men as ever seen.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:58 PM
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Am I the only one in the world who dislikes Quitely's art? his faces always look weird, and his proportions are ever so slightly off and that ever so slightness bugs the hell out of me.
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No, we've argued about him before.
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