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Old 05-15-2017, 07:09 AM
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That's a fine intro to Discworld! Pratchett had refined his craft and humor considerably since The Color of Magic and it also showcases his particular philosophies and humanism that shine brightly throughout his books. And as a religious person myself, I find that Pratchett, famously atheist, has an excellent grasp on spiritualism and the difference between organized religion and personal devotion (I still maintain Small Gods is a must-read for anyone remotely serious about their own faith.)

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Yeah, Small Gods is usually my recommendation for anyone looking to dip their toe into Discworld. The recommended reading order unfortunately gets a lot muddier from there. >_<
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I read them in their published order, but I concur. Small Gods is an excellent intro. After that, maybe Guards, Guards! This is the tipping point for the Disc's march into modernity.
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I read them in their published order, but I concur. Small Gods is an excellent intro. After that, maybe Guards, Guards! This is the tipping point for the Disc's march into modernity.
Yeah, Guards Guards! is the intro to the "march of history" Ankh-Mopork-centric books: from there you go to Moving Pictures, which is a prototype of so much of the series after that point (EG, new technology is developed, exploited, causes chaos, then gets normalised to the point where it's remarked as being part of the furniture in later books).

Along those lines -

Moving Pictures - Movies
Men at Arms - Firearms
Soul Music - Rock n Roll
Feet of Clay - This one actually doesn't fit, but is essential to the overall story.
Jingo - Diplomacy and War
The Fifth Elephant - Communications / Telegraphs
The Truth - Printing Presses / Newspapers
Going Postal - Mail
Making Money - Currency
Raising Steam - Railroads

The later Vimes books - Night Watch, Thud, and Snuff - all don't really fit into the progression, but they're important for the overall progression of Ankh-Mopork in particular (although like most people I thought Thud was weak). Fifth Elephant winds up being a REALLY important book for years and years later, between the first real introduction to Dwarf politics and the Clacks.
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I tried reading Moving Pictures, but I couldn't finish it. The main character felt too much like a reskin of Rincewind.
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Most of the main characters in the technology line aren't very important - they're there to pace the reader through the references and react to what's going on around them.

Moist gets a bit more depth by necessity since he's the hero of three books, but even then Pratchett's writing had evolved to the point where he was writing more about the world than the hero.
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Nice, a discworld thread.

During my reread of all the discworld books in publishing order, I'm now in the middle of Wyrd Sisters. I enjoyed all the books up to now (even Sourcery, which I found to be a perfectly enjoyable read), but this one feels like a big improvement. I love the three witches, especially Nanny and Granny, and the bit where Granny critizices the play is beautiful. But the humour feels like it developed in general.

I can't wait to get to Lords and Ladies.
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If you like The Ramtops witches, make sure you check out the Tiffany Aching books, starting with The Wee Free Men.
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I've never liked the Witches. Just never clicked with me. I've read every Discworld book except that sub-series, which I just started skipping over after reading a couple and hating them. In fact, I almost didn't read any Pratchett at all, since my introduction to his writing was the Witches short story in Legends, which was awful. I'm glad that I decided to give his other stuff a try anyway.
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I've never liked the Witches. Just never clicked with me. I've read every Discworld book except that sub-series, which I just started skipping over after reading a couple and hating them. In fact, I almost didn't read any Pratchett at all, since my introduction to his writing was the Witches short story in Legends, which was awful. I'm glad that I decided to give his other stuff a try anyway.
I'm in the same boat. The Witches stuff is for a specific type of reader that is very much not me.
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I'm in the same boat. The Witches stuff is for a specific type of reader that is very much not me.
I haven't read Raising Steam yet, but I feel similarly about Moist. I'm hoping his third book changes my opinion.

I will always lament that we never got to see Granny Weatherwax meet Vimes. While the Disc would've probably collapsed under such concentrated awesome, those are my two favorite Pratchett protags and I would've liked seeing them butting heads. It's doubly sad because Vimes HAS gone to Witches country and Granny and Nanny HAVE gone to the city and they never crossed paths.
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The closest you get to that is the gag from Fifth Elephant with the depressed trousers of Uncle Vanya. That scene was pretty clearly written to invoke the witches, even if it didn't use them.
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I don't think I've actually read any of the Witches books, but loved the Tiffany Aching series
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I haven't read Raising Steam yet, but I feel similarly about Moist. I'm hoping his third book changes my opinion.

I will always lament that we never got to see Granny Weatherwax meet Vimes. While the Disc would've probably collapsed under such concentrated awesome, those are my two favorite Pratchett protags and I would've liked seeing them butting heads. It's doubly sad because Vimes HAS gone to Witches country and Granny and Nanny HAVE gone to the city and they never crossed paths.
Odds are they're both such powerful sources of Narrativium, they probably unconsciously are kept apart to keep their storylines on an even keel.
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If you like The Ramtops witches, make sure you check out the Tiffany Aching books, starting with The Wee Free Men.
Oh, it's a reread, I read most of the books already at some point. Still thanks for the info, Tiffanys books are probably my favourite sub-series, with Hat Full of Sky and Wintersmith being probably my favourite Discworld books. Having Nanny and Granny as side characters and teachers was a very clever move of Pratchett, showing them in a new light.
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