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Old 03-17-2017, 10:25 PM
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Sure, but in the elitist patrician racism way, not in the America should go back to being white way.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:34 PM
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Sure, but in the elitist patrician racism way, not in the America should go back to being white way.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:44 PM
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Have you guys ever seen a little kid try to argue their way out of trouble, only to dig themselves deeper and deeper because they don't have the sense to keep their mouths shut?

I just don't know why, but I got reminded of that all of a sudden for some reason.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:48 PM
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:05 PM
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I refuse to actually watch Jontron talk but this is a pretty good summary of what happened:

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Old 03-19-2017, 06:10 PM
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On a recent episode Danny said that he'll watch old episodes and be surprised and embarrassed by what he said, but he also made the good point that they do a show where they have to talk and entertain constantly. I'm sympathetic to that pressure and how it can be difficult to self-moderate when you're in a creative flow.

That said, they definitely are Clueless White Guys who certainly aren't woke. I think, generally, they're nice dudes mostly who don't go out of their way to cause harm. I hope that someday they'll be more conscientious, but they haven't crossed any specific lines with me.
I like to think this of Arin as well. A genuinely nice person who doesn't want to hurt people. He has repeatedly apologized in the comments of his videos and seems genuinely remorseful when jokes he's made hurt and offend people. Along with Slowbeef's article I think another part of the problem is that he has terrible people in his ear. From Ross, to Markiplier, and to Reddit, which complicates the whole "clueless white guys" thing where he's not really taught or shown what hurts people. Same kinda goes for Danny, but it's complicated by the fact that I don't think he really realizes how privileged he's been in life, even compared to Arin.

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It kind of makes me think less about Barry and Arin that they aired that episode at all. Part of me wonders if they did it because they wanted to unload Jon, but it's still a questionable decision.
It's no real excuse, but Arin has said that he used to be "less confrontational." He probably both had no idea how to tell Jon "hey that wasn't fucking cool" and would've been too chickenshit to do it anyway.

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Old 03-20-2017, 03:41 PM
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I like to think this of Arin as well. A genuinely nice person who doesn't want to hurt people. He has repeatedly apologized in the comments of his videos and seems genuinely remorseful when jokes he's made hurt and offend people. Along with Slowbeef's article I think another part of the problem is that he has terrible people in his ear. From Ross, to Markiplier, and to Reddit, which complicates the whole "clueless white guys" thing where he's not really taught or shown what hurts people. Same kinda goes for Danny, but it's complicated by the fact that I don't think he really realizes how privileged he's been in life, even compared to Arin.
Ok, I gotta ask because I just recently started watching Markiplier videos but what make him a terrible person?
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:09 PM
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Calling him "terrible" might be a little bit harsh (but I am a fan of hyperbole, so whatevs), but the most recent thing is that he and Ross and his wife Holly were all pewdiepie defenders.

He made a seven minute video and a text essay about respect but never once actually denounces the antisemitism, which means he either a) thinks the jokes were okay or b) is too much of a coward to actually call people out when they hurt people. Either way, it shows no actual god damn respect for people at all.

And Ross and Holly apparently think that what pewdiepie did was okay because he's "nice."

So fuck all of them tbh
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:39 PM
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I already thought ross was a sociopath so this doesn't change my opinion of not watching anything involving him again.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:59 AM
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And no I take it back I actually do stand by calling markiplier terrible. He doesn't have to comment on every issue out there, but. Where was he talking about "respect" with Anita when she was getting death threats? With Zoe when she was being doxxed? That pewdiepie is the thing that finally made him find a hill to die on and talk about "respect" is very telling. That he chose to do it over someone being antisemitic and making impoverished people dance for his amusement is even more telling. I would posit that he only did it because if pewdiepie could be called out and have his livelihood threatened, than mark could have the same happen to him as well. But that's just me i dunno it's not like their content is that much different from each other
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:49 PM
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Markiplier's schtick is "Pewdiepie but for kids whose parents monitor Youtube" and to my (limited) experience I've never seen or heard of him making hateful jokes, so I'm pretty sure his motivation is entirely cowardice. Which neatly envelops his defense of Pewdiepie and his refusal to defend anyone who might actually be harmed by roving internet lynch mobs.
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