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Old 03-16-2017, 09:37 PM
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Warren Ellis speaks indirectly to our earlier conversation about the basic silliness of Grifter

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Old 03-16-2017, 09:39 PM
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Grifter has a face? I thought he just had a mask with hair on top.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:39 PM
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Did they ever confirm whether his eternal two-day stubble was a superpower?
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:41 PM
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Grifter has a face? I thought he was just a mask with hair on top.
Naw brvh he was briefly maskless in the titty bar shootout that marked his first appearance in the pages of WildC.A.T.S. #1!.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:42 PM
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Did they ever confirm whether his eternal two-day stubble was a superpower?
yeah, it turns out he got launched here as a baby from the same alien planet as Don Johnson.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:14 PM
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Warren Ellis speaks indirectly to our earlier conversation about the basic silliness of Grifter

I read that and spent the next five minutes trying to figure out what Warren's lurker name on here is. Then I figured out that it's probably not an uncommon line of thought.

The series thus far is firmly in Bad Ellis zone. He's not really world building so much as worldcockteasing.
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Why is the guy who's superpower is "owns part of a mask and also a gun" named Grifter, anyway?

Does he supplement his pay by pretending to be a Nigerian prince, or through phishing scams?
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:28 PM
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The series thus far is firmly in Bad Ellis zone. He's not really world building so much as worldcockteasing.
I can't say for sure how it would read to someone who can't fill in the gaps from understanding of the previous versions of the characters, but I suspect not well. It seems to be selling all right though.

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Why is the guy who's superpower is "owns part of a mask and also a gun" named Grifter, anyway?
Presumably Jim Lee and/or Brandon Choi thought it had a nice ring to it. The big villain in the original run of WildCATS was called "Helspont," despite being an alien gas-blob dude who was from nowhere near Greece or Turkey.
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Presumably Jim Lee and/or Brandon Choi thought it had a nice ring to it. The big villain in the original run of WildCATS was called "Helspont," despite being an alien gas-blob dude who was from nowhere near Greece or Turkey.
I think Lee shot his creative bolt with the Kherubim/Daemonite thing and just went with something that would look good on a Graphitti Designs t-shirt logo for the rest.

I swear the entire first class of Image titles were logos and model sheets in search of a comic.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:46 PM
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I think Lee shot his creative bolt with the Kherubim/Daemonite thing and just went with something that would look good on a Graphitti Designs t-shirt logo for the rest.
Alan Moore cracked a pretty good metatextual joke when it turned out that all the action in the first 20 issues of the book had been a pointless waste of time.
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I swear the entire first class of Image titles were logos and model sheets in search of a comic.
A good summation of the heyday of Lee, Liefeld, McFarlane, et al. in general.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:04 PM
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The interview with Ellis that DC used to hype this series that ran at the back of all their books basically said "let's face it, the sole creative impulse for Wildstorm (read: all of Image) was basically to take everything Jim and his geek friends thought was cool in 1991, smush it into sequence, and pretend that was a plot."

That's not me being nice, that's pretty much a quote.

(I don't know if Grifter was even that BAD; it's just that his design was so obviously an amalgam of Gambit and Deadpool that there wasn't any real reason to ever develop him into anything else.)
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:41 PM
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Presumably Jim Lee and/or Brandon Choi thought it had a nice ring to it. The big villain in the original run of WildCATS was called "Helspont," despite being an alien gas-blob dude who was from nowhere near Greece or Turkey.
I get the feeling that they may have wanted to name it "Hellspawn", but that would overlap to much with McFarlane's baby, and a lawsuit is not the way they wanted to kick off Image Comics.

See also: Badrock.
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Old 03-17-2017, 07:54 PM
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See also: Badrock.
the funny part there, I wanna say he was the only Youngblood character who wasn't recycled out of Liefeld's blown Titans pitch.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:17 PM
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in other news I got round to Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader comic book and that's a fucking good Darth Vader comic book. Gillen wastes no time at all filling out a great supporting cast. Vader is only so interesting on his own but he's a blast with all these weirdoes orbiting around him.
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in other news I got round to Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader comic book and that's a fucking good Darth Vader comic book. Gillen wastes no time at all filling out a great supporting cast. Vader is only so interesting on his own but he's a blast with all these weirdoes orbiting around him.
Do the characters have more nuanced relationships with Vader himself than "do what Vader says or he'll force-choke you?"
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Do the characters have more nuanced relationships with Vader himself than "do what Vader says or he'll force-choke you?"
It's a nice mix of "rivals for Vader's position" and "people Vader employs but who have agendas of their own." Plus two assassination droids where the high concept was "what if C-3PO and R2-D2 were evil dicks?"
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:39 AM
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Plus two assassination droids where the high concept was "what if C-3PO and R2-D2 were evil dicks?"
The evil C-3PO was a Dark Horse thing long before the Vader series got to it, interestingly.

Also, a lot of the fun of the Vader series is that it treats him as the galaxy's most murderous diplomat, which is goddamn hilarious.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:49 PM
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Now I've gotten to 70's era Fantastic Four in my read through of cheap Essentials trades. I got to say, it certainly doesn't re-invent the wheel, but Gerry Conway's run is REALLY fun. It helps a lot that there's a lot less characters sniping at each other like petulant children than a lot of these series, but it's just straight forward and fun superhero stuff. Also, as silly and nonsensical the plotline is, Submariner pretending to try to conquer the surface world in an attempt to get Reed and Sue back together is a weirdly sweet moment.

Also, Annihilus taught me the word vituperative. Got to try to use that more.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:47 PM
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Finished re-reading Knightfall which is pretty great when it's about an increasingly weary Batman in a boss-rush, and kind of loses its train of thought once Azrael takes over, as he is down-right impatient to go full on crazy-ass once he's declared Batman. The ridiculousness of the AzBats costume and the flowery poetry it inspires is well worth it, though.

Also, the mini-arc where Azrael teams up with Anarky to fight Scarecrow is pretty dang great, if only for the art.
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Any time Batman faces a gauntlet of classic foes is a good time.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:52 PM
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Any time Batman faces a gauntlet of classic foes is a good time.
counterpoint: Hush.

the rule does mostly apply though.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:54 PM
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I think part of the weirdness of pacing the KnightsQuest section of it was that the Bat Office realised that, whoops, we did our giant mega-arc right when Superman was doing the same thing and they had to change the length of time AzBats was around (lengthened or shortened, can't remember which) to account for it.

The BEST part of the mess is that Marvel and DC each did a Batman / Punisher crossover that year. The first was with AzBats, so he and Frank were cool. By the time the second one rolled around, Bruce was back, and after basically going through an entire year's worth of storylines about why Batman isn't The Punisher things don't go well.

(Ah, back for a more innocent time when JR Jr on Batman was something special. Oh, well.)

Still, between Knightfall, Death of Superman, and Kingdom Come, DC did a pretty good job of punting a lot of popular comics characters in the allegorical crotch.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:02 PM
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Any time Batman faces a gauntlet of classic foes is a good time.
As classic a gauntlet of foes as Zsasz or Cornelius Stirk would include
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Matt Wilson of War Rocket Ajax is doing a Kickstarter for a comic that's summarized as "what if every disaster happened at the same time?"
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Matt Wilson of War Rocket Ajax is doing a Kickstarter for a comic that's summarized as "what if every disaster happened at the same time?"
I'll be good goddamned if those stretch goals don't look like they're saying "if we get enough money, we replace the current artist with better and better artists at each tier"
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:25 AM
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As classic a gauntlet of foes as Zsasz or Cornelius Stirk would include
Hey, Zsasz was in the Nolan movies, he's at least c tier.
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As classic a gauntlet of foes as Zsasz or Cornelius Stirk would include
Any time I read something about how Batman has the best villains in comics I remember Knightfall: Batman must face all his deadliest foes? Gee, I can't wait to see him take on Amygdala, or the John C. Calhoun looking motherfucker who turns into a gargoyle, or those three guys in bird masks whose names no one can remember!
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