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Old 03-14-2017, 12:18 PM
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One of my favorite things about Alien is the fact that it's a sci-fi movie with such a cosmically inconsequential story - a team of a space truckers accidentally let a murderous unknown creature into their ship and get picked off one-by-one. You never see any of the world beyond that ship, but the characters and the sets and their routine feel so alive that it makes you 100% believe in the authenticity of a future you're only seeing a tiny corner of. The alien could be just one of its many mysteries.

Now the aliens are the most important thing in the universe and they're linked to the origin of human life itself, and now the universe feels so much smaller even as it becomes less intimate.
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Also, the incomprehensible, huge, biomechanical monstrosity growing out of its chair, the mysterious Space Jockey who was transporting horrible eggs for reasons beyond the understanding of our tiny human minds, turned out to be... a bald dude.
I agree with both of these things, but I also actually like Prometheus. I think I just kinda separated it from the Alien series, pushed it off into like Side Story status in my mind, and watched it for itself. I think at the time it was also Not Technically A Prequel or something?
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:37 PM
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Anyone who said that was full of it. It's clearly a prequel.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:38 PM
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I think at the time it was also Not Technically A Prequel or something?
Pre-release interviews were coy about the Alien connection and treated it more as an unrelated story in the same universe, but I think this was a sleight so as to make the xenomorph's appearance a surprise.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:42 PM
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I was more surprised at how little the xenomorph had anything to do with the rest of the movie than I was at its inclusion, really.

Not exactly a stroke of storytelling brilliance to reveal your franchise's main monster at a narrative dead-end.
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:00 PM
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Ah, but the real monster is man. Or graven idol created in his image, at any rate.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:47 PM
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The Deacon isn't a Xenomorph, it's just clearly some kind of precursor or something. It leans much further to the "bio" end of biomechanical.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:43 PM
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As I understand it, Prometheus Zigzagged all over the place regarding whether or not it's an Alien prequel throughout its production because the rights kept getting shuffled up.

That's why it IS a prequel but a lot of details don't quite mesh
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:46 PM
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Prometheus takes place on Christmas and ends with an immaculately-conceived birth
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:46 AM
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As I understand it, Prometheus Zigzagged all over the place regarding whether or not it's an Alien prequel throughout its production because the rights kept getting shuffled up.

That's why it IS a prequel but a lot of details don't quite mesh
Even afterwards, there were loads of interviews saying "no, it's not a prequel." Then I guess it did well enough at the box office so it turned into a prequel.

I figure it'll get renamed to Alien: Prometheus eventually.
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Prometheus takes place on Christmas and ends with an immaculately-conceived birth
Son of a bitch

LINDELOOOOOOF! YOU JESUS FREEEEAK

If Elizabeth Shaw is Mary then who is Joseph? David? Charlie?

I suppose Idris and the two other dudes who kamikaze'd the ship were the Three Wise Men. Vickers is Lucifer, David might be Jesus (he is sacrificed by the Romans = Engineers) and Old Man Memento is God.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:03 PM
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Even afterwards, there were loads of interviews saying "no, it's not a prequel." Then I guess it did well enough at the box office so it turned into a prequel.
First it wasn't a prequel to hide the twists. Then it wasn't a prequel because it got critically savaged. Now it is a prequel because that's the only way to rejuvenate interest in it.
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If Shaw is the birth he was talking about, it sure wasn't immaculate.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:38 PM
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And if it's the birth of the proto-xenomorph at the end, that's not immaculate either.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:58 PM
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And if it's the birth of the proto-xenomorph at the end, that's not immaculate either.
You're still a virgin if you take it in the... face...?
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:17 PM
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You're still a virgin if you take it in the... face...?
(The "immaculate conception" doesn't refer to the virgin birth, it refers to Mary being born without sin.)
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:03 AM
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I don't see anyone born without sin in that movie.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:33 AM
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(The "immaculate conception" doesn't refer to the virgin birth, it refers to Mary being born without sin.)
I'm still proud of that joke and you're not gonna take it away from me.'

(14 years of Catholic school. Believe me, I know the basis was wrong.)
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