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Old 08-09-2008, 12:53 PM
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I'm sorry, but due to a recent influx of less than desirable elements, the existance-limit has been raised to 2,000. Didn't you get the memo?
Damn it! This is very Catch-22 of you, Talking Time!
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Old 08-09-2008, 01:38 PM
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Damn it! This is very Catch-22 of you, Talking Time!
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:23 PM
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A friend of mine recently slimmed down on Weight Watchers. She joined two months ago, and in just a couple of weeks, she'd shed 10 pounds. She'd been trying for a year to lose weight, but nothing worked -- until now.

Why did Weight Watchers work so well? For a really fascinating reason: because it isn't a normal diet. It's something more. Something fun.

It's an RPG.

The Weight Watchers program is designed precisely like a role-playing dungeon crawler. That's why people love it, stick to it and have success with it. And it points to the way that we could use game design to make life's drudgery more bearable.

Let me unpack this a bit. When I asked my friend to see how Weight Watchers works, she showed me the ingenious system. "The best part is the web tool," she said, pulling it up on her laptop.

When you first log in to Weight Watchers, it determines how much food you'll be allowed to eat that day, expressed as a number of "points." My friend gets 23 points per day. Each time she eats a piece of food, she enters it into the online database, and it calculates how many points she's used. A small apple is one point; a piece of fried chicken is seven points.

When she first started the program, she was stunned at how quickly she burned through her daily points. A single bagel was six points -- more than 25 percent of her daily quota. "How the hell am I going to do this without starving?" she wondered.

But pretty soon she learned to hack her daily eating to suit the system. She snacked on vegetables that took zero points -- like bell peppers -- or only one or two points, like a tasty brand of microwave popcorn. Then she'd save up the big points for a really decent dinner. Better yet, Weight Watchers assigns her an extra 35 bonus points per week that she can use if she goes over her daily limit. Or she can bank them for a big blowout restaurant meal on the weekend.

What makes this point-counting possible is Weight Watchers' elegant online tool. Type in any food you can think of -- including brand-name snacks or boxed meals -- and Weight Watchers has already calculated the points for you. If she makes a special sandwich at home, she can calculate the ingredients, save it with a custom name, and then drag and drop it into her day every time she eats one.

As I watched her poke around on the screen, managing inventory, calculating points, staying within her range, it hit me:

Weight Watchers is an RPG.

Think about it. As with an RPG, you roll a virtual character, manage your inventory and resources, and try to achieve a goal. Weight Watchers' points function precisely like hit points; each bite of food does damage until you've used up your daily amount, so you sleep and start all over again. Play well and you level up -- by losing weight! And the more you play it, the more you discover interesting combinations of the rules that aren't apparent at first. Hey, if I eat a fruit-granola breakfast and an egg-and-romaine lunch, I'll have enough points to survive a greasy hamburger dinner for a treat!

Even the Weight Watchers web tool is amazingly gamelike. It has the poke-around-and-see-what-happens elegance you see in really good RPG game screens. Accidentally snack on a candy bar and ruin your meal plan for the day? No worries: Just go into the database and see what spells -- whoops, I mean foods -- you can still use with your remaining points.

And those 35 extra points you get every week? They're like a special buff or potion -- a last-ditch save when you're on the ropes.

Indeed, I'm in awe of the sheer brilliance of Weight Watchers in adopting the word points as its metric for measuring food. The word immediately shoves the user into the semantics -- and fun -- of gameplay. You regard losing weight as an intriguing challenge, as opposed to a mere grind.

This puts me in mind of the talk that Jane McGonigal -- a brilliant and pioneering alternative-reality game designer -- gave at this year's South by Southwest conference. She argued that game designers ought to put their skills to use in the real world by reshaping dull, everyday activities into fun challenges. Why not a game that gives you points for walking your dog or jogging?

"Games are an incredible language and system. They should be everywhere," she said. "Why are we making games only for the bound pages for a computer screen or console? Why aren't we doing that to help people navigate and understand the world around us?"

She couldn't be more right. As McGonigal points out, there are already some witty attempts -- like Chore Wars, Wii Fit or Seriosity's system that tries to limit corporate e-mail overload by forcing people to "spend" virtual totems to send a message. I can think of tons of things I'd love to see turned into a game: doing my taxes, dealing with my inbox backlog, being stuck in traffic.

And this stuff is clearly possible, because if Weight Watchers can turn something as unpleasant as dieting into a playful activity, the sky's the limit.

Just ask my friend.
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Old 08-11-2008, 06:45 PM
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I think Zodar made the same mistake I did - posting something that others might take as being legitimately interesting.
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:18 PM
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Quite true. I wish I could frame everything in my life in terms of RPG mechanics.
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:56 PM
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The best post.
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As for Zodar's RPG post: yeah, I guess you can think of life as though it were a boring video game. Or you could, you know, think of it as a life. That works for some people.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:18 PM
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yeah, I guess you can think of life as though it were a boring video game. Or you could, you know, think of it as a life. That works for some people.
How about as a life + a boring video game for those bits that we were otherwise ignoring entirely?
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:30 PM
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Now if only someone hacked the Weight Watchers website and randomized all the point values. Chocolate-covered fried chicken? Two points.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:51 PM
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Now if only someone hacked the Weight Watchers website and randomized all the point values. Chocolate-covered fried chicken? Two points.
That's actually what happens when you use the Konami code before dinner.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:58 PM
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Working out is mostly a mental exercise. If someone needs to relate it to something they find interesting and it works, more power to them.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:03 PM
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on second thought, that might've been a bit of a mean-spirited quote, but idea of having to associate exercise with video games to motivate yourself seemed pretty funny

also: i don't care if you aren't supposed to show a quote's source, but this is just too amazing in its original context
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:46 AM
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on second thought, that might've been a bit of a mean-spirited quote, but idea of having to associate exercise with video games to motivate yourself seemed pretty funny
Still?
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:38 AM
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also: i don't care if you aren't supposed to show a quote's source, but this is just too amazing in its original context
What's even more impressive is that he apparently built the thing out of materia.
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:26 AM
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I just read the new EGM, and they just talked about how they did not want this new remake.

Yet they talk about how you must get on their website?
They don't want the remake because they want a game with spiffy and pretty graphics instead of investing in the revival of a groundbreaking and innovative series that focuses on graduated storyline rather than instant gratification. Sure what I said may seem biased, but it is what it is.
Jiminy Christmas, that entire thread was like Anthony R Womble come to life.

Also a no-prize if you can guess which game they're talking about!

(Hint: I don't think I would say that game in question "focuses on graduated storyline rather than instant gratification.")
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:33 AM
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Hello, this "Kev the Chiller". I used to write in this newsgroup a few years ago, then I stop writing (and forgot about playing Nethack completely, by the way. Otherwise I would have written before this date). One of the
reasons is that I converted to Islam, thus I cannot see the Nethack/Slash'em elements like polytheism and magic as correct.
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:35 AM
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on second thought, that might've been a bit of a mean-spirited quote, but idea of having to associate exercise with video games to motivate yourself seemed pretty funny

also: i don't care if you aren't supposed to show a quote's source, but this is just too amazing in its original context
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I need funds so bad I cut my sofa cushion up for this project, for real.

I need food and if I get a generous amount in bidding for this sort of basic sculpting. I promise you some real cool stuff soon here on ebay by me.

I have ideas and need supplies otherwise this sculpting would be fiberglassed with glass eyes.

At this time I am working on a project I will title "Mr Turtle" THE FASTEST TURTLE IN THE WORLD!!! as soon as I get supplies to finish it I need a gallon or so of fiberglass resin and food or I can eat some of the fiberglass.

Oh and you will want to type "Mr Turtle" in as a search here on ebay and save the search and as soon as I get or if I get just one generous bid of just $10.00 for Mr McCain here, I will be so grateful and use the funds for food and supplies to bring "Mr Turtle" alive.

I may try another action auction with "Mr Turtle" regardless I will list "Mr Turtle" after I get him finished and you will receive an email. I need funds and I am doing the best with what I have to work with so please bid on this one of a kind sculpting and help me bring "Mr Turtle" alive and help a hungry family.
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:00 PM
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Okay I've been holed up in a barnes and noble starbucks for 14 hours, the last true refuge around these parts that isn't surrounded by scientologists. I like this place best because most people here are somewhat intelligent or at least don't immediately disregard me as a "loser" simply because my choice of reading includes atheistic topics. I usually tell them that, to be fair, I did try to read the bible, but threw up a little in my mouth in the middle of Genesis (the only bible book I remember thanks to sega) by the a) sheer stupidity of it all, but more importantly by b) how many idiots actually devote themselves to this garbage. Also, the starbucks barista has a real thing for me, I mean when I tipped her my change she really lit up, I think when I order next I might invite her to one of these protests in the future

Anyway, if any anons see this, could you send help or let me know when the coast is clear? I lost my mask and to be honest im scared to shit. I can only be thankful that I didnt bring my car or theyd have my license plate and any semblance of a life I once had will be gone. I can see it now, no more xbox live account... I see someone pulling out a cell phone, i think its one of them, Check my blog in 3 hours if its not updated then im
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:53 PM
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religion? feh, bunch of brainless shee- OH FUCK MY MASK IS GONE THEY MIGHT RECOGNIZE ME SAVE ME ANONYMOUS
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:47 PM
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:33 PM
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HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO HELP ME WITH THAT VERY THING AND GET A ONE OF A KIND JOHN McCAIN 3D BOBBLE HEAD.

JUST AMAGINE HIM STRAPPED TO YOUR CAR ROOF AT 60 MPH ON THE FREEWAY.

NOW THAT WOULD BE A SITE TO SEE ON YOUTUBE FOLKS.
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This is amazing.
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:43 PM
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When I wrote the words ' interrogation dream team' I should have said: 'these are the people I would like to see the American government involving in the interrogation'. That is: a team of people who know Islam and its texts, its history and all its manifold deceptions inside-out and back-to-front - for example, note that my list includes a set of steely-minded apostates!

What the HELL gave you the idea that *I* was fantasising about being in charge of, or taking part in, that interrogation process!!! Because that is the only assumption that explains the rest of your post.

Do you *really* believe that this female would cut any ice with, say, Wafa Sultan, if she (the jihadist) were in the hot seat and Ms Sultan was involved in the interrogation (or even if Ms Sultan were *observing* the interrogation, or videotape of same, and making notes upon it, for the interrogator's benefit?).

You shouldn't have been fantasising about Ms Siddiqui's supposed magical ability to convert *me* by a mere trifling effort of words - you should have been fantasising about her ability to thus reduce to tears, in an open conversation, sans coercion [that is, sans any power of coercion against *them*], and to abjectly convert to Islam one or more of the following: Raymond Ibrahim, Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Anglican Canon Patrick Sookhdeo, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, and Phyllis Chesler. Note that this list contains no less than five Apostates from Islam. I doubt she'd persuade *them* to come back 'home' in a hurry!

It is *them* (Spencer et al) - not me! - whom you should have been imagining as the inept and useless sissies who would not know how to answer Siddiqui's arguments or see through her taqiyya and kitman!

And then you start fantasising, salivating almost, about me being made to cry, and converting to Islam...NOT in a situation, say, where *I* was a prisoner in an Iranian or Pakistani dungeon and Ms Siddiqui were in charge of interrogation with drugs and torture equipment at her disposal and my family for hostages, but in an open conversation where Ms Siddiqui could *not* use force against me...do you realize what an appalling insult you are levelling at me? (Do you think she could have converted me to Islam in a conversation on an Internet forum, or in a university coffee shop? Really? When the core and centre of my life is my word sworn and given to my Lord Jesus? "No other name...").

Is it that because I'm a housewife and a mother and a 'nice person', that you're assuming I'm gutless and mentally weak?

What 'da'wa' could Ms Siddiqui offer, what arguments present (and remember: the scenario is NOT one in which *she* has me under the scimitar!) that I have not heard ad nauseam from the taqiyya artists, the Mohammedan Boggarts and Dementors who pop up over and over at this website, saying the same old same old, over and over?

I should *hope* that 33 years as a practising, praying Christian, not to mention sitting at Mr Spencer's and Mr Fitzgerald's feet for the past two-three years, and my basic awareness of the facts ( for example, of the vicious antisemitism and sheer bizarrerie of the Muslim thought-world) would anchor me sufficiently to withstand any kind of Muslim da'wa however cleverly presented, especially in any situation where I was not suffering any form of physical coercion and could walk out anytime I chose!
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There are some very special boys and girls at that site-that-shall-remain-namelesss. The best part is that any disagreement is obviously the work of the Shadow Jihad (no doubt led by the Shogun of the Dark.)
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I wanna know what site that came from if only because I have a sneaking suspicion that it's about something completely unrelated, e.g. the Cat Fancy discussion forums or comments section.
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ALOHA APRIL. No they did not tell me THAT THERE MAKING ANTHER MOVIE. I did here something awful though! Some one said that Stitch would be going to Japan with out me. Stitch said he do not know any thing about it but if it is true well I do not know what I will do if I lose Stitch again. I need him! I need him so much. He is the thing that keeps me going when every thing is bad.
I gave my hart to him and at times he has broken it, but well Stitch brakes everything, and I always forgive him. But if he leaves for good I may never get over it I will forgive him but my hart will be broken forever.

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I wanna know what site that came from if only because I have a sneaking suspicion that it's about something completely unrelated, e.g. the Cat Fancy discussion forums or comments section.
If only there were an organization under a jihad watch, eh?
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When we need the police/ambulance/firefighters why is it we need to call 911? (9/11)

I bet even Megaman had something to do with it... NO!!! DR.WILY DID IT!!! IT WAS OSAMA BIN WILY!!! OSAMA BIN WILYYYYY!!!

I know it isn't from Capcom, but does anyone have any Pokemon links to 9/11? I think it sounds funny how childish it would be. I still like Pokemon :3 Maybe Team Rocket Blasted off into the Trade Centar >:O
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If only there were an organization under a jihad watch, eh?
I do not know what you mean.
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