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Old 11-11-2008, 06:39 AM
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See I don't think you can eliminate the whole Christian imagery so easily. Espescially when you get to SEELE. Basically your only hope for knowing what the fuck is going on is some knowledge of Christian Mythology.
I agree, and I'd take that in a positive way. I think it's really quite interesting the implications that the thorough (and not entirely hodge-podge) inclusion of Christian mythology in the series has. A very common internet/popular criticism levied against Eva is the use of Christian mythology "for the sake of being weird"; critics even point to Anno's own statement that he had no "point" in using Christianity other than the fact that it's weird and alien to a Japanese audience.

But here's the flipside--for those of us who like to interpret works based on effect in addition to intention--the entire series has a very important side-effect: it displays just how weird Christianity really is. If you think about it, Anno's not really taking Christianity too far out of context. I think that's something that hits Western and Japanese audiences in a slightly different way, but I think it's an important outcome of the series.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:52 AM
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Either this is comment on my poor grammar or you didn't watch the video clip.
Just think twice before you use an apostrophe.

On the Christianity thing, I was a bit annoyed when I heard a quote from Anno about how he just thinks the symbolism looks cool, but really, cross-shaped explosions are neat.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:06 AM
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That same concept made Asuka's death in EoE one of the most horrifying, gut-wrenching things I've ever watched. It is one of a very few things I have vowed to only ever see once.
I re-watched this scene. Dammit, another action scene using Bach's Air to the point of dissonance.

*tears hair out of head*
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:14 AM
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It's pretty much impossible for me to separate Evangelion now from the Evangelion that me eight years ago found to be The Most Amazing Thing Ever.

Also, I still think the second half of EoE is one of the most amazing things ever, and possibly the high point of the series. You heard me.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:29 AM
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I think people getting hung up on the Christian imagery in Evangelion are missing the point in the same way that an ancient Greek person might be irritated by the depiction of Thor in Marvel comics.
I think you mean the Norse, not the Greeks.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:32 AM
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I remember watching the first couple of episodes and thinking that it was good, but not nearly as good as the rest of the world seems to think.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:36 AM
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I remember watching the first couple of episodes and thinking that it was good, but not nearly as good as the rest of the world seems to think.
That's because the first couple episodes are there to fool you with typical giant-robot-anime-ness and then WHAM! Deconstruction city. And it's great.
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I think you mean the Norse, not the Greeks.
It's all Greek to me!
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:01 AM
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If you think about it, Anno's not really taking Christianity too far out of context.
...What?
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:06 AM
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Yeah, I'm afraid that statement needs a bit more explaining. Especially seeing how there's plenty more Kabbalistic imagery in there than there is Christian... and it's also presented more for the visual appeal than for its actual significance.
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:28 AM
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There's a lot of other religious influences too, so it can be more marketable to people who are not Christians.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:48 PM
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To those who read my column, anyone know who The Council Of Five Snide Guys really was? lol

Seriously they're just so out there.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:58 PM
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I think you mean the Norse, not the Greeks.
Oh sweet jesus yes I meant the Norse.

Now I think I have to hang my head in shame forever.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:58 PM
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To those who read my column, anyone know who The Council Of Five Snide Guys really was? lol

Seriously they're just so out there.
I'm almost certain they were simply SEELE before Anno and crew finally decided on how to actually represent SEELE. They decided that the council wold work better as an unknowable secret group, and I have to agree. I seem to recall the SEELE leader pictured in EoE when 3rd Impact happens, he was the same old guy with a visor that is in "The Council Of Five Snide Guys."
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:07 PM
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Oh sweet jesus yes I meant the Norse.

Now I think I have to hang my head in shame forever.
See, I read it as like "these two cultures are so different it makes even less sense for them to be getting uppity about it." You shoulda rolled with it!
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:43 PM
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Oh sweet jesus yes I meant the Norse.

Now I think I have to hang my head in shame forever.
I... I thought you did mean the Greek What Paul said.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:22 PM
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Thinking about it now, the only thing I truly hate about Evangelion is the fact that the only english-language DVDs I can get of EoE are fucking matted 4:3 letterboxed and look terrible on my widescreen TV
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:35 PM
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Maybe they'll rerelease it since I think they're already released the series collection like three times now.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:19 PM
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Maybe they'll rerelease it since I think they're already released the series collection like three times now.
I would gladly pay for it on Bluray, but I doubt that'll ever happen
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:08 PM
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Yeah, I'm afraid that statement needs a bit more explaining. Especially seeing how there's plenty more Kabbalistic imagery in there than there is Christian... and it's also presented more for the visual appeal than for its actual significance.
Yes, Judeo-Christian is more accurate to say than Christian. At any rate, Anno's use of the mythology isn't completely random--it usually has at least something to do with what's transpiring in the show. My glib comment about context was intended to point out that it makes about as much sense as its source material.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:47 PM
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My glib comment about context was intended to point out that it makes about as much sense as its source material.
But...

No, never mind. Not the thread for it.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:39 PM
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I would gladly pay for it on Bluray, but I doubt that'll ever happen
Yeah I seriously doubt they'll take the opportunity to milk the cash cow that is Eva by putting it on another format. That's just crazy talk.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:46 PM
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Considering the film is in the hands of Manga Entertainment, who have no idea what they're doing (and were talking about getting a rerelease out in 2006), you might be surprised.
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:14 AM
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My glib comment about context was intended to point out that it makes about as much sense as its source material.
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No, never mind. Not the thread for it.
Allow me then:

Hey WWW - don't assume everyone has the same beliefs/lack of that you do. It's rude.
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:00 AM
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Yeah I seriously doubt they'll take the opportunity to milk the cash cow that is Eva by putting it on another format. That's just crazy talk.

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Considering the film is in the hands of Manga Entertainment, who have no idea what they're doing (and were talking about getting a rerelease out in 2006), you might be surprised.
Yeah that was sort of what I was getting at. I don't doubt that they'll go blu-ray with it all eventually in Japan at least, but I don't see most US anime distributors being too quick to jump aboard as well, especially not Manga.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:06 AM
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Hey WWW - don't assume everyone has the same beliefs/lack of that you do. It's rude.
I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to offend. I wasn't trying to say that Christianity is stupid, crazy, or not worth people's faith. I was expressing my opinion that there are some parts of its texts--and their interpretation--that are, in a word, weird.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:23 AM
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I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to offend. I wasn't trying to say that Christianity is stupid, crazy, or not worth people's faith. I was expressing my opinion that there are some parts of its texts--and their interpretation--that are, in a word, weird.
Fair enough. There's aspects of Christianity that are weird.

There's still extremely little, if any, correlation between Christianity and what EVA does with its visual symbols.

Here's an easy one: What do the cross-shaped explosions and the crucified Lilith have to do with either the Christian or the Roman meanings behind the Cross itself and the crucifixion?

Why give the name "Lance of Longinus" to that one artifact, when its origin, purpose, and even ultimate significance in the series have nothing to do with the original one?

Stigmata? Really, Shinji? Stigmata?
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:11 AM
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You guys make it so hard to be good, do you know that? Also boo hoo shed a tear for the poor persecuted majority
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Old 11-12-2008, 12:01 PM
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Fair enough. There's aspects of Christianity that are weird.
Is there any kind of belief system that doesn't have some weird shit in it, spiritual or otherwise?
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Old 11-12-2008, 04:39 PM
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Here's the write up for episodes 3 and 4.

http://thingthatdontsuck.blogspot.com/
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