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Old 06-20-2017, 06:45 PM
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Uh, no. We're in a flashback in a flashback atm.
I keep wondering if anyone will publish Mars Chronicle over here. I kind of hate reading scanslations for anything longer than a chapter or two...
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:12 PM
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I keep wondering if anyone will publish Mars Chronicle over here. I kind of hate reading scanslations for anything longer than a chapter or two...
My guess is that Kodansha US would not have bothered finishing up Last Order or reissuing (and re-translating!) BAA if they were gonna pass on his latest.

Hm, it does occur to me that Ashen Victor is still in limbo (as are the other side stories Viz passed on), unless they're gonna tack it onto the omnibus editions. Aqua Knight too, but that's less surprising. I don't even know if he even took it with him when he changed publishers.
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Old 06-22-2017, 01:13 PM
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I was searching in here for a punchline and was reminded of Tomo's a Girl!, the romantic comedy 4-koma. It provides the Mendoza Line of manga comedy, if nothing else.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:59 PM
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BERSERK HAS GONE ON HIATUS AGAIN

Oh my God. I mean...seriously, just fuck my shit up. Again. ;_____;
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:04 PM
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Guess he got enough money to fuel his Idolmaster obsession for another six months.
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:13 PM
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This is all us Berserk fans right now ;_; JUST
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:33 PM
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So Berserk fans are

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Old 06-23-2017, 04:48 AM
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I was searching in here for a punchline and was reminded of Tomo's a Girl!, the romantic comedy 4-koma. It provides the Mendoza Line of manga comedy, if nothing else.
Speaking of comics that are always on hiatus.
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Old 06-23-2017, 10:18 AM
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Speaking of comics that are always on hiatus.
The characters are so thin the editors probably have to perform hydrofracking to find new jokes. If it didn't have the 4-koma format locking it down, TaG! would have become a fighting manga volumes ago.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:41 AM
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The characters are so thin the editors probably have to perform hydrofracking to find new jokes. If it didn't have the 4-koma format locking it down, TaG! would have become a fighting manga volumes ago.
The last few months have rediscovered that supporting characters indeed exist and are beginning to use them in mildly interesting ways.

If I had to guess why the comic was always going on hiatus however, it would either be the usual mangaka overwork sicknesses, or the guy putting time aside to draw tankobon extras, or the guy pursuing his other passions (namely his first love of degenerate porn comics - do yourself a favor and never look up what else this guy has made.)
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:53 AM
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The last few months have rediscovered that supporting characters indeed exist and are beginning to use them in mildly interesting ways.

If I had to guess why the comic was always going on hiatus however, it would either be the usual mangaka overwork sicknesses, or the guy putting time aside to draw tankobon extras, or the guy pursuing his other passions (namely his first love of degenerate porn comics - do yourself a favor and never look up what else this guy has made.)
No danger of that, as again the only thing that sticks out at me from the entire strip is that the girl's dad looks like a WORST extra all grown up. Maybe on purpose????
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Old 06-23-2017, 06:39 PM
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I stayed home sick today, so I read through all of A Silent Voice on Crunchyroll manga after a recommendation from teg. Ended up marathoning the whole thing.

I don't know that I have much to say, but I liked it a whole heck of a lot. Just really beautiful, affecting stuff, dealing with suicide, bullying, isolation, regret, redemption, and... communication. If we were doing the top 50 comics list after I'd read it, it would definitely have been on my list. It's going to stay with me for a good, long while.

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Old 06-23-2017, 07:23 PM
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No danger of that, as again the only thing that sticks out at me from the entire strip is that the girl's dad looks like a WORST extra all grown up. Maybe on purpose????
Let's just say that mangaka has a thing for rape fantasies.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:21 PM
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Really enjoying three ongoing sports manga at the moment: Giant Killing (football/soccer manga depicting the professional J-League), Baby Steps (tennis manga with incredible amount of analytical details and progression realism), and Asahinagu (naginata manga and the best girl sport manga I've ever read by a landslide).

Sucks that sales here aren't so good for the latter two

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I stayed home sick today, so I read through all of A Silent Voice on Crunchyroll manga after a recommendation from teg. Ended up marathoning the whole thing.

I don't know that I have much to say, but I liked it a whole heck of a lot. Just really beautiful, affecting stuff, dealing with suicide, bullying, isolation, regret, redemption, and... communication. If we were doing the top 50 comics list after I'd read it, it would definitely have been on my list. It's going to stay with me for a good, long while.
It was the manga that made me fall for the medium again after several years of hiatus. That, and Solanin (<-really recommend this if you haven't read it already).
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:29 PM
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Solanin (<-really recommend this if you haven't read it already).
I'll add it to my reading list! I see that it's only two volumes, so I might just slide it the head of the queue.
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Old 06-24-2017, 08:09 PM
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Really enjoying three ongoing sports manga at the moment: Giant Killing (football/soccer manga depicting the professional J-League), Baby Steps (tennis manga with incredible amount of analytical details and progression realism), and Asahinagu (naginata manga and the best girl sport manga I've ever read by a landslide).

Sucks that sales here aren't so good for the latter two


It was the manga that made me fall for the medium again after several years of hiatus. That, and Solanin (<-really recommend this if you haven't read it already).
I haven't read the manga, but the Giant Killing anime was my favorite sports show of the last decade, at least.

I read Solanin years ago and I'm pretty sure I liked it a lot, but it's been so long that I've forgotten most of it. Would probably be worth a re-read, if I ever felt like I had time to actually re-read anything. I think it's still on my shelf.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:01 AM
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Taking the conversation back 30 years, on reading Maison Ikkoku for the third or fourth time, I'm surprised at how cynical it feels. Our "hero" Godai starts off as a horny creep, and over the story kind of oozes into adulthood instead of claiming it. ...Well, it isn't like I can't understand the second part of that, since I was born in a generation that reached adulthood well before the economic crash. He and Mitaka treat Kyoko like a football.

Kyoko and Kozue are manipulative bastards in a way that's socially acceptable for women. It's hard to parse if Kozue's naïf persona is conscious or unconscious; either way, it works on Godai. Kyoko's tools are grudges, jealousy and passive-aggression.

Anyhow, I'm not sure if the cynicism was a subtext that was there the whole time, or if I've become a cynical old fart myself. I'm about halfway through and am having more and more difficulty reading this as a romance vs. a scathing commentary on the marriage/dating market and the roles women and men must take in it. While in the past I could read it straight through, now I have to take it only a couple volumes at a time 'cause I start feeling depressed.

Still, the emotionally powerful episodes never fail to get the proper response from me. And regardless of everything above, it makes me laugh.
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Old 06-27-2017, 12:13 PM
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Rumiko Takahashi never struck me as someone who had a hell of a lot of cheap sentiment in her. Maybe I should give MI another look when I have a spare hour or two.
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:44 AM
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Ronin-arc Godai is written as stock horny college guy and his character gets more nuanced as he transistions into low status guy that has to figure out the rest of his life. MI in general is typical sit-com Takahashi but it feels like time is really passing for the characters and there is slow but gradual character development, it just takes a long view to see it.

In May, I took the PacSet Taste of Japan tour and we stayed a night at an old-school minshuku beside the Nakasendo in Magome. It had small tatami guest rooms with futon closets, a toothbrush sink trough, and communal bathrooms. My wife and I independently thought "This is like staying at Maison Ikkoku". It's too old-school to really show up on Google maps, but it's the one where grandma sells gohei mochi out the side window.
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Old 07-03-2017, 05:38 AM
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I was searching in here for a punchline and was reminded of Tomo's a Girl!, the romantic comedy 4-koma. It provides the Mendoza Line of manga comedy, if nothing else.
The most recent story arc is likely going to end in a return to the status quo with some incremental character development along the way. But upon reflecting upon it, the biggest reason why I like this comic and it stands out in my head despite being incredibly generic and forgettable is how it plays with gender roles, and what it has to say about masculinity and femininity. Which may not be that interesting or unique in a vacuum, and certainly not progressive or not problematic, but for something Japanese it's unconventional to say the least.

Japanese gender roles and expectations are so rigid, so it's nice to see a romance where conventional ideas of femininity get challenged. You could also probably do a queer reading of the comic if you wanted, in a "this comic is too repressed to confront gay issues openly, but will dance around the subject matter on the outside." Because the male protagonist in particular, wrestles with the idea that he's innately attracted to his best friend despite "seeing her as a man" and the cognitive dissonance is increasingly becoming harder for him to reconcile. Because gender is largely performative in Japanese society, and Jun finds himself attracted to the performative masculinity of Tomo just as much as anything else. TL;DR: It demonstrates gender as being slightly more fluid, gradient, and varied than your typically rigid manga romance does.

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Taking the conversation back 30 years, on reading Maison Ikkoku for the third or fourth time, I'm surprised at how cynical it feels.
It's been a long time since I've watched or read any Maison Ikkoku so maybe I'm totally wrong, but my enduring feelings are the exact opposite. Especially when you factor in the cultural and temporal context of when/where it was made. Classically, a widow in Japanese culture is dead to society. And Maison Ikkoku very proudly strikes back and says no, this woman is her own person who has a future in this world and ought to be allowed to find love again.

I disagree with your evaluation of Godai too. Changing as a person takes time and effort. And while he starts out as a worthless NEET who deflects responsibility, he slowly transforms himself into a responsible adult in the hopes of being the kind of man Kyoko deserves. I agree that Mitaka treats Kyoko like an object to be won, but IIRC there's a pretty specific part in the plot where Godai rejects Mitaka's objectification and acknowledges Kyoko's agency as a woman and realizes how immature he is and how he needs to grow as a person to have any hopes of being a good match for Kyoko.

The plot and character development move as a snail's pace, so I'm sure it feels like Godai "oozes into adulthood" but IMO that felt pretty realistic and made the show/comic magical to me. And when you take Maison Ikkoku as a whole body of work, it feels inspirational rather than cynical. As a woman, your life isn't defined by your husband, nor is it over if he dies/leaves. And as a person, you can grow and pull yourself out of the rut of being a NEET over time and it's OK if there's some bumps and bruises along the way or if it takes time to do so.

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Old 07-04-2017, 10:33 AM
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It's been a long time since I've watched or read any Maison Ikkoku so maybe I'm totally wrong, but my enduring feelings are the exact opposite.

I disagree with your evaluation of Godai too.

And when you take Maison Ikkoku as a whole body of work, it feels inspirational rather than cynical.
I don't at heart disagree with your interpretation, or chafe against it, since it's the one I've had every other time I've read it. I can attribute my current interpretation to (1) my present state of mind, which is having a much easier time seeing irony than nicer things (2) a personal drifting towards the asexual, which makes a story about sexual politics/romance something I'm more likely to scrutinize than roll with (3) where I currently am in the story (a little less than halfway).

Kyoko is, indeed a rebel against societal expectations for a widow, or a woman--in the long run she [30-year-old spoiler] chooses Godai, when literally everyone around her wants her to choose the socially better-placed Mitaka. She has her own career, and doesn't quit it on marriage.

In general I think that Takahashi is sympathetic to the main characters when they fall over their own shortcomings. She's less sympathetic to, say, Kyoko's parents, when they let their desire to control their daughter override their genuine concern for her future.
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:38 PM
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The latest two volumes of Vinland Saga have really rekindled my excitement for the series. Part of why is probably that they collect material from after I stopped reading the scanlations, so it's new to me, but I do think it goes beyond that. The cast shake-up and addition of new characters is a very welcome change, bringing new perspectives to the story and changing up the dynamics completely— Gudrid, the tomboy, aspiring sailor and runaway bride; Hild, the impeccable hunter with an unfortunate past; Karli, an orphaned baby that Thorfinn has taken to raising; and A Dog. Plus, Yukimura's clearly writing for the trade, now, and the arcs are a lot deeper (and flow seamlessly across chapters) as a result.
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Old 07-09-2017, 04:33 PM
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Picked up another Oishinbo at the library. These Bubble Economy relics are so fascinating. I'd pay richly for a Sans Soleil-style comic exploration of the everyday Bubble years that would peel back the layers of fantasy inherent in these.

But theesh providesh no eshcape from ideology
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Old 07-12-2017, 04:25 PM
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Picked up another Oishinbo at the library. These Bubble Economy relics are so fascinating.
I don't know anything about that. It was an interesting read from a food trivia standpoint, but it really is a pretty forgettable trifle (do you think over the decades of this comic they ever did trifles?) I like that it was a gourmet manga that didn't have to rely on a competition element, but outside of food facts, its not one I had a big desire to pick up more of.

Which is a shame, because I love when older manga hits our shelves. Heck, I picked up a copy of the Mysterious Underground Men last Saturday and flipping through it... I'm really fascinated to see what REALLY early manga looked like.
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:50 PM
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There's a fundamental faith in capitalism and tradition that underlies most of Oishinbo. Sometimes you'll see mild criticism of cost-cutting or the unrefined tastes of the mob, but mostly there's a sense that hard work and talent, directed correctly, will result in personal and societal advancement.

Like at one point they do one of those bizarre contests between the newspaper slacker and his fat, angry dad and at the end two rival businessmen agree that they need to compete harder with each other to ensure that they make better and better food. And all around are the trappings of corporate success, or at least corporate security. Ideological relics of a forgotten age.
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With a severely bland set of Big Two comics this week, and the a/politically-fascist garbage Marvel has been trying to peddle, I decided to dive through the supposed improved revisioning of superheroics My Hero Academia.

Sigh.

Uraraka is great, Tsuyu is great, Yaoyorozu is great (if eye-rolling), this is easily seen, sure. The number of competent and healthy female characters outside of the main class, however, is absurdly slim (protagonist's mother, the school nurse, one recent internship boss). Starting at the end of term exam arc nearly every new female character introduced or newly focused on is an airhead or victim or seductress to some degree (and the following arc introduced groups brought in two okama stereotypes). I know, I know, cultural developmental differences are not safe to be dismissive of, and it's hardly surprising for Japan or shounen to be shitty about women, but it still just sucks to see personal representation squandered in a setting about unique warped bodies and criticized self-sacrificing tendencies and individual ambitions struggling with legacy. The gap in treatment between Class 1-A and the rest makes me think of a piece of advice I saw a while ago: whenever writing The Other, squad member or side-character or otherwise, write them with the weight of a protagonist of some other work (rather than get bogged down in whatever tropes and perceptions one has of said other).

Also, while the art shift ideology-difference era-reps of All Might and Stain are pretty great, nothing else besides Mirio's face really continues the trend of directly reflecting the bulk of the inspirational work. The setting is pretty fun, the coherence afforded by what is mostly a single writer without crossovers or sales gimmicks is great, and I don't quite mind the standard shounen masculinity driving the bulk of the protagonists in the plot. It's just that even while The Big Two are a heap of spiny toxic garbage, I can still pluck out and find more interest, amusement, or resonance in works like Shade: The Changing Girl and The Unstoppable Wasp.

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Old 07-15-2017, 11:57 AM
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I know, I know, cultural developmental differences are not safe to be dismissive of, and it's hardly surprising for Japan or shounen to be shitty about women, but it still just sucks to see personal representation squandered in a setting about unique warped bodies and criticized self-sacrificing tendencies and individual ambitions struggling with legacy...

...It's just that even while The Big Two are a heap of spiny toxic garbage, I can still pluck out and find more interest, amusement, or resonance in works like Shade: The Changing Girl and The Unstoppable Wasp.
Jump is the #1 Japanese comics magazine for teen boys. It is the status quo. It's not really subject to any progressive social pressure either, as Japanese comics have a much wider range of popular genre subjects and age/gender demographics than American mainstream comics.

If you find the US comics to be that toxic, there's a lot of interesting and diverse Japanese work out there besides weak iterations of our own country's tired genre tropes.

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Which is a shame, because I love when older manga hits our shelves. Heck, I picked up a copy of the Mysterious Underground Men last Saturday and flipping through it... I'm really fascinated to see what REALLY early manga looked like.
A Drifting Life by Yoshihiro Tatsumi is a great resource on early manga. Tank Tankuro by Gajo Sakamoto is probably the strangest early manga available standalone in English from the early period (some portions of other bizarre early series have appeared in Kramers Ergot and other anthologies).

"Norakuro" and other Suiho Tagawa series' are probably also worth a Googling if you're curious about early manga. Very beautiful stuff.
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