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Old 09-16-2013, 02:13 PM
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Golden Age mysteries are a bit genteel for my taste, but for ayone looking for a good primer on the subject I highly recommend PD James On Detective Fiction.

Also the funny thingabout Cuckoo's Calling is that it basically read as a modern day Golden Age mystery.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:40 PM
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Tekwar is as wonderfully awful as you would assume it is.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:19 AM
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Tekwar is as wonderfully awful as you would assume it is.
At first glance I thought you'd said "Tekwar is as wonderful as you would assume it is" and my head about exploded.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:21 AM
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Finished The Magicians and really liked it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:29 AM
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Finished The Magicians and really liked it.
It's a good book and I enjoyed it, but goddamn did I ever hate the main character. Still need to read Magician King.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:41 AM
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I didn't want to ruin the Breaking Bad thread with talk about The Magicians, but I really feel like they have a LOT of similarities, especially with the themes and the path of the main characters on a personal level.

(spoilers I guess for both)

Both characters start out sorta depressed and wanting more. Finally, they're introduced to a world where their dreams (magic for Q, money for Walt) can be had. Then they decide they want more, and then they aren't happy with that, so then they need more. Finally when they get to the point where their dreams have been achieved (Q going on an adventure to save Fillory, Walt with all the money in the world), things come crashing down and reality kicks in, also ruining everything.

Throughout the entire book, there's a feeling of "If I just can get to X, then things will be better!" but as soon as X is achieved, it turns out to be just as "meaningless" as what was before, but look! There's something else on the horizon! If only I could get to Y, then things will be way better than X! And I absolutely, 100% understand and have gone through that process many times.

I think that's the thing about this book that I really liked. Even though Quentin was an ass (I guess), I "got" him in ways that I normally don't get characters in stories. I understood everything he did. The scene when he's so furious at Alice and wants to apologize and just make things better but all he can say is "WAS IT GOOD TO FUCK PENNY" absolutely killed me because I've been in that position before (not like, cheated on, but the "want to make things better but your anger gets the best of you" part).

Overall I found that the book was really great as saying not only "be careful what you wish for" but "you need to find and make your own happiness, and not expect it to come to you."
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:01 AM
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I didn't want to ruin the Breaking Bad thread with talk about The Magicians, but I really feel like they have a LOT of similarities, especially with the themes and the path of the main characters on a personal level.

(spoilers I guess for both)

Both characters start out sorta depressed and wanting more. Finally, they're introduced to a world where their dreams (magic for Q, money for Walt) can be had. Then they decide they want more, and then they aren't happy with that, so then they need more. Finally when they get to the point where their dreams have been achieved (Q going on an adventure to save Fillory, Walt with all the money in the world), things come crashing down and reality kicks in, also ruining everything.

Throughout the entire book, there's a feeling of "If I just can get to X, then things will be better!" but as soon as X is achieved, it turns out to be just as "meaningless" as what was before, but look! There's something else on the horizon! If only I could get to Y, then things will be way better than X! And I absolutely, 100% understand and have gone through that process many times.

I think that's the thing about this book that I really liked. Even though Quentin was an ass (I guess), I "got" him in ways that I normally don't get characters in stories. I understood everything he did. The scene when he's so furious at Alice and wants to apologize and just make things better but all he can say is "WAS IT GOOD TO FUCK PENNY" absolutely killed me because I've been in that position before (not like, cheated on, but the "want to make things better but your anger gets the best of you" part).

Overall I found that the book was really great as saying not only "be careful what you wish for" but "you need to find and make your own happiness, and not expect it to come to you."
I... hadn't actually looked at it like that, however obvious that is to me now that you've pointed it out. Could largely be where my mind was when I read it, but I really couldn't sympathize with him in any way.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:10 PM
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That was an excellent summary, reibeatall, and perfectly described what I liked about the book. Quentin is much less of an asshole in Magician King, and I think the fact that he's more sympathetic is what helped make it such a heartbreaking book for me.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:14 PM
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Magician King is about taking what rei posted and then extrapolating it to the concept that heroism has a price, to be vaguely spoilery.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:33 PM
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At first glance I thought you'd said "Tekwar is as wonderful as you would assume it is" and my head about exploded.
Still an accurate statement, if you wouldn't assume it to be very wonderful at all, which I think likely!
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:55 PM
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I've been craving some comfort food lately. I'm reading Book of the New Sun again, which is wonderful of course, but it's not scratching that particular itch. I'm thinking The Dragon Knight by Dickson. It's schlock, but it's the kind of schlock you can just bury in and cuddle up with.
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I'm reading Book of the New Sun again, which is wonderful
I haven't visited this thread in a while and I open it up this morning to this.

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Old 09-18-2013, 08:39 AM
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I've been craving some comfort food lately. I'm reading Book of the New Sun again, which is wonderful of course, but it's not scratching that particular itch. I'm thinking The Dragon Knight by Dickson. It's schlock, but it's the kind of schlock you can just bury in and cuddle up with.
That the one with the fake suns and the floating cities and such??
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Uh? I don't think so, you'll have to be more clear.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:01 PM
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Uh? I don't think so, you'll have to be more clear.
Nope! If wikipedia is right it is not what I'm thinking of
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:05 PM
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So I'm reading the new Pynchon and a single chapter has references to DBZ, Hideo Kojima, Final Fantasy X, Freddy, Jason and Johnny Mnenomic.

The singularity is nigh.

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Old 09-18-2013, 08:19 PM
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please don't make me read more Pynchon I'm almost done with Against the Day and I have important things I need to do

when will I have time to read anything that's not Pynchon

(would I even want to?)
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So I'm reading the new Pynchon and a single chapter has references to DBZ, Hideo Kojima, Final Fantasy X, Freddy, Jason and Johnny Mnenomic.

The singularity is nigh.
Oh wow. I just started and have not gotten to this chapter, but I am so very glad it exists.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:24 PM
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Peter Pan. It holds up.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:52 PM
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Reading "You" by Austin Grossman and it's a pretty bad book so far.
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Old 09-19-2013, 02:38 PM
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Peter Pan. It holds up.
Word.

Try "The Little White Bird" next for comparison purposes. It's fascinating.
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Old 09-19-2013, 02:44 PM
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please don't make me read more Pynchon I'm almost done with Against the Day and I have important things I need to do

when will I have time to read anything that's not Pynchon

(would I even want to?)
It's strange, for me at least, to read a Pynchon novel set in a time period that I actually lived through and remember. I know several of his books deal with periods he lived through, but it's so easy for me to think of him as writing about long-past eras. Though, judging by the jacket copy, one of this book's themes is how long-past the pre-9/11 era feels just a dozen years on.

In others Pynchon news, man do I want one of the t-shirts.
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Old 09-19-2013, 02:50 PM
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It's strange, for me at least, to read a Pynchon novel set in a time period that I actually lived through and remember. I know several of his books deal with periods he lived through, but it's so easy for me to think of him as writing about long-past eras. Though, judging by the jacket copy, one of this book's themes is how long-past the pre-9/11 era feels just a dozen years on.

In others Pynchon news, man do I want one of the t-shirts.
Its funny because so far it feels like Pynchon's version of The Bigend Trilogy andfrom what I hear their are some eerie parellels between the NSA thing and the story.

I feel very disquieted that I apparently am now living in Pynchon's world.
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All this talk of Pynchon is forcing me to link to this story.
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Ladies and gentlemen Pynchon just made a fucking Daikatana joke.

I don't even...


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More importantly, WHY AM I NOT READING THIS RIGHT NOW?

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Ladies and gentlemen Pynchon just made a fucking Daikatana joke.

I don't even...

Damn I am going to spend all day tomorrow reading this (only fifty pages in so far).
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Spike Milligan's novel "Puckoon" is exactly as weird as you'd expect it to be.

Which is reassuring, in a way.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:39 AM
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Ladies and gentlemen Pynchon just made a fucking Daikatana joke.

I don't even...
I want to read this, bad, but I want to go in order and I'm cowering before a Gravity's Rainbow-sized wall. PERHAPS NOW IS THE TIME
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I just finished book 7 of my Wheel of Time re-read. I'm at the half way point!

It's interesting to see how the writing style of Jordan did change of the course of the series. In the first few books, most of the plotlines are self-contained to the book they're brought up in with maybe a hook to the next one tossed in, but as like as not, sometimes he drops it and lets the character sit out a book. See Rand in book 3, Perrin in book 5, etc. But once I got to book 6, a lot more of the plotlines start in one book, continue into a second, and end in a third. Elayne and Nyaneve's aventures in Ebou Dar, Morgase, and a couple of others.

Now while that's okay for me now, since I have all the books up to 11 sitting on my shelf, at the time when I first started reading them, it drove me nuts.

Anyway. I'm sitting here now with book 8 which I distinctly remember not liking when I first read, so we'll see how this goes later.

EDIT: Ah. That's right, it opens with a bunch of people I have no way of remembering who they are. Bad form.

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