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Old 01-01-2017, 03:32 PM
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I didn't watch the whole video I linked, so it might have cast its arms a little too wide. The Kings of Leon one is a bit of a stretch for sure, and it opens the video.
It's not a stretch, it's just wrong. The video argues that the whoop is a broken-up minor third, usually the fifth and third note of a chord, wobbling back and forth. Like so:



The Kings of Leon example is a full arpeggio of a major chord, with three notes, not two. It doesn't follow the proposed pattern at all, except that it happens to contain a minor third:



The video's problem is that the only criterion it uses for the trend is a specific interval, which is dumb. Minor thirds are everywhere. Motifs are melodic and rhythmic patterns, and I would argue that the rhythmic component is more important than the melodic one.

I think what folks are calling the Whoop is the following:



It's most blatant in "Growing Younger." When you add the rhythmic component of the motif, it's a lot more recognizable in some of the examples. Not nearly as pervasive as that video argues, but definitely something that shows up in a bunch of pop songs, albeit with a lot of variance.

EDIT: listening a bit more, the more common occurrence might not have rests like in my last example.

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Old 01-01-2017, 03:54 PM
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Thanks — I only dabble in music theory, and I'm learning a lot just from your post and reading up on this subject in general.

I still think that production and performance style are really important elements here that pure theory can't account for, though. You might be able to recognize the "whoop" in some doo-wop song written out as sheet music, but it's the way the hook is presented in a song like "Good Time" — bright, joyous, percussive, and auto-tuned — that makes it part of this trend.
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Maybe we should call it Katy Perrying.
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While we're on the subject of similar pop songs:

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Old 01-02-2017, 07:55 AM
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Okay, that was impressive.
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That's awesome. I think that's referred to as the Chord Sequence That Sells, and holy shit does it ever.
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Every pop song secretly using the same chord progressions and shit are the reason why mashups are such a thing.

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I mean would Girl Talk even have a career if it wasn't for this phenomenon?

AYOOOO!



AYO-AYO-AYOOOOO! WHOOOOAHHH
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Is it possible to millenial whoop while using vocal fry?

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Is it possible to millenial whoop will using vocal fry?
Probably not, because producers will pitch-correct any vocal fry into oblivion.
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Right. Have to auto-tune the life outta that shit.
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