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Old 09-22-2017, 09:48 AM
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Oh, misinterpreted that.

No. Strong no.

One Million Strong Nos In Unison.
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:55 AM
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I'm talking about letting Vaughn direct Superman movies. His best director credit to date is the 4th best X-Men movie, most of his work is trash.
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Rate Xmen movies

I'd put first class as 2nd best.
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:58 AM
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Wait, people are surprised that a sequel to an ultraviolent, nihilistic movie where the hero is motivated by, and rewarded with, the chance to have anal sex with a princess with no character or agency of her own, is also a bad movie?
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:02 AM
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Ahh, you called me on the X-Men line. I've got X2 and Days of Future Past as 1 and 2 in some order. I'd put X-Men 1 next for nostalgic reasons, though I'll admit it hasn't aged well. Then First Class. If you want to include spin offs, slot Logan in there probably just before X-Men 1. After that none of them are even close to good so it doesn't matter.

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Wait, people are surprised that a sequel to an ultraviolent, nihilistic movie where the hero is motivated by, and rewarded with, the chance to have anal sex with a princess with no character or agency of her own, is also a bad movie?
Just one incredibly stupid person (me)
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:08 AM
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Wait, people are surprised that a sequel to an ultraviolent, nihilistic movie where the hero is motivated by, and rewarded with, the chance to have anal sex with a princess with no character or agency of her own, is also a bad movie?
This is obviously a satire of James Bond saving the day and getting laid at the end of every movie.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:41 AM
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I loved Kingsman the first and thought it was brilliant all around. However I don't think I can counter the observation that it's mean, nihilistic, and hateful. I'm scared to see the sequel because the other shoe might drop and I'm afraid it will end up being all the surface without the substance from the first movie.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:11 AM
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This is obviously a satire of James Bond saving the day and getting laid at the end of every movie.
I've known that since the first movie came out, but, like so many other things, when does a parody of a thing become the thing itself.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:31 AM
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If I ever go see one of these, now I know to calibrate my expectations for a nihilistic and mean-spirited film, and I can take it on its merits as such.

Seems unlikely though. There's too many movies in the world.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:39 AM
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Ahh, you called me on the X-Men line. I've got X2 and Days of Future Past as 1 and 2 in some order. I'd put X-Men 1 next for nostalgic reasons, though I'll admit it hasn't aged well. Then First Class. If you want to include spin offs, slot Logan in there probably just before X-Men 1. After that none of them are even close to good so it doesn't matter.



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Old 09-22-2017, 12:15 PM
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Thinking about First Class makes me realize I shouldn't have been fooled into seeing Kingsman. My biggest problem with first class was its utter nihilistic pessimism. Xavier's belief in understanding and peace is opposed by Magneto's hate and in the end Magneto is right. Hate is the only sensible path for mutants in the world of First Class.
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:37 PM
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I've known that since the first movie came out, but, like so many other things, when does a parody of a thing become the thing itself.
I think it's only the over-the-topness of the reward that makes it satire. How else can you tell otherwise?
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:40 PM
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In order to wash the brain/soul poison of Kingsman: The Golden Circle out of my mind I watched My Man Godfrey this afternoon. That film was a lot of fun. The maid Molly immediately jumped right onto my list of favorite minor characters. My feelings for here were cemented during this exchange with some cops looking for lost pearls:

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Detective: Just a minute, sister!
Molly: If I thought that were true, I'd disown my parents.
Detective: So you got a passion for jewelry, huh?
Molly: Yes... I got a passion for socking cops.
Detective: Where are they?
Molly: Most of them are in cemeteries.
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Old 09-23-2017, 07:27 AM
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I think it's only the over-the-topness of the reward that makes it satire. How else can you tell otherwise?
In a world where Donald Trump is President, I think it's finally safe to assume that what seems like over the top 'satire' will only ever be taken completely at face value.

EDIT: Less flippant response: when the question is asked whether or not Archie Bunker re-enforces racist attitudes or condemns them, it's always safe to say both.
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:58 PM
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Only sort of. It was vulgar displays of power that attract the predator. It is cunning and intelligence that defeats it.
Exactly.

If you scrub away the years and years of cruft and franchise that has accumulated around the film like a zebra mussel infestation, you can see how Predator has a double meaning.

The monster is the predator at first. He toys with the protagonists when they try to fight him like soldiers. Then they step back a little from their technology and militarism and actually trip him up. Finally Dutch goes back to primal neolithic shit. That's when he becomes a predator too, and is able to win.

And like chud said: The winner isn't the stronger fighter, but the smarter hunter.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:39 PM
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Billy proved you can't just alpha this.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:10 PM
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Billy proved you can't just alpha this.
It's even in the music:

Building a Trap:


This is where the team comes together to lay their final ambush, and it's huge brass and military drums with that underlying piano marching along.

Preparations:


Drums right out of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. The brass is fucking subterranean. The violins sound like ghosts. Absolutely primal. (e: there's just the tiniest addition of snare drum and the military theme near the end, but just a hint of it)
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Old 09-23-2017, 04:31 PM
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I listen to those pieces and I can hear the familiar musical flourishes and motifs that Alan Silvestri would subsequently use in Back to the Future II.
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:50 PM
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Did they ever get around to properly remastering Predator? All I remember is shoddy DVD transfers in the '00s.
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Old 09-24-2017, 12:40 AM
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I think I might be permanently scarred from watching Mother!

Just what the fuck?
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:41 AM
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I think I might be permanently scarred from watching Mother!

Just what the fuck?
Why I Don't Watch Horror Movies.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:04 AM
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Why I Don't Watch Horror Movies.
it's not really a horror film though?
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:19 AM
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I kind of liked it, though it turns the screw about a dozen times too many, since it's Aronofsky. Definitely not for everyone.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:24 AM
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it's not really a horror film though?
How about now?

Via Screen Crush (their all caps, not mine)

DARREN ARONOFSKY SAYS ‘MOTHER!’ MIGHT BECOME AN… OPERA?
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:32 AM
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I kind of liked it, though it turns the screw about a dozen times too many, since it's Aronofsky. Definitely not for everyone.
There was just a lot of traumatic parts. It didn't help that I was watching with a friend who kept grabbing me, clawing me, and burying their head anytime they thought something was going to happen.

I actual thought there was going to be more there than there was. I kept looking for something deeper than the patently obvious allusions.

Nope. Just that.
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Old 09-24-2017, 03:41 PM
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Subtlety is overrated.
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Old 09-24-2017, 04:31 PM
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What better way to spend my birthday than by sitting down and watching the single greatest and best movie.

No qualifiers.

It's just the best movie.



Never actually picked up on the similarities in tone to Jurassic Park in the plot.

Except for Mars Attacks and the first movie, I can't think of any other films like this in tone before or since. Guess everyone realized that there was nothing left in the well to go back and visit again.
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Old 09-25-2017, 11:07 PM
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Except for Mars Attacks and the first movie, I can't think of any other films like this in tone before or since.
House 2?
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:49 AM
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Kenneth Anger's stuff also smashes you with bizarre, even horrific, imagery that you're supposed to delight in.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:12 PM
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Raime spidermens. All 3 are fab.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:30 PM
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Raime spidermens. All 3 are fab.
Yeah, 3 plays the most with mood and it goes some really awesome places because of that.
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