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Old 02-12-2017, 09:44 AM
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I guess we're not using spoiler tags in this thread any more?
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:13 AM
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Just now got caught up, because Amazon packages them as full half-hours, so "That Will Be All" was together with "New Crystal Gems."

I noticed that every Ruby we've seen looks identical except for the placement of their gem, but the Amethysts and Jaspers have a lot of variation between individuals. Does Earth have unique effects on the gems grown there? Agate apologizes for her Quartz soldiers because they're from Earth.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:24 PM
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It seems like Earth-grown gems tend to be less "regular", yeah.


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Old 02-12-2017, 03:26 PM
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The last time Pearl had a girlfriend, she died. "The one constant in all your failed relationships..."
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:14 PM
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But. But it was adorable.

I mean really, not every episode can be a gut-wrenching emotional journey. Pace yourselves. I'm looking forward to a few eps of general goofiness before getting back to serious plot times.
I'm not knocking it for being a goof-off episode! One of my favorite episodes is Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service! I'm just disappointed that for a show with such a great history of teaching kids lessons that no other show bothers to talk about, the moral at the end was maybe one of the biggest cliches in the history of childrens' fiction (also sort of contrived - in order to arrive at that lesson, the group needed to arbitrarily agree to follow a completely nonsensical rule for literally no reason) If they were going to phone the ending in with a spin from the Animaniacs Wheel of Morality, I'd rather there just wasn't a lesson at all.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:17 PM
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It seems like Earth-grown gems tend to be less "regular", yeah.
Could be that Earth gems are a little "off". They also seem to have built the warrior Quartzes with strong individualist and belligerent streaks, so it could be those manifesting in interesting phenotypes.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:05 PM
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So I just got all caught up on the "new" bomb.

Some possible aesthetic-influence things I caught:

The scene introducing Blue gave me a very strong Dark Souls vibe that I couldn't shake. A giant woman, knelt over a shattered ruin, whispering melancholy to it and weeping... the voice and the robe may have been the biggest things to get me thinking that?

The background music of the zoo, especially in the Diamond room before What's the Use started, was giving me intense Hyper Light Drifter deja vu. Everything on-screen being vivid pink with splashes of blue probably helped.

And finally, the actual blocking and design of two giant people with the little ones running around was a) fucking amazing and also b) gave me flashbacks to Fantastic Children, an anime I kind of expect nobody else ever to have even seen or heard of.

The episodes themselves were great, of course. Amethyst finding her Famethyst and their being rad was really great. Even another Jasper! Also Carnelian. Interesting: Carnelian is not a quartz, but a chalcedony. And Jasper is described as "an aggregate of microgranular quartz and/or chalcedony" and other minerals on wikipedia. So I guess Earth gems being silicon-based is their thing?

The human designs were really interesting and also struck me as being aggressively androgynous for the most part, even without the single outfit. Not to mention the wide swathe of skin colors.

The New Crystal Gems basically going full New Mutants/X-Force as a side team was sweet and hilarious. Lapis's Garnet voice was amazing, too.




The CMY theory makes a lot of sense...
I mean, there are all sorts of colors of diamond in our real world. And as we've seen, there is a LOT of pre-planning and careful choices in SU. There must have been a reason to pick those three, and with fusion being such a big deal and those three colors combining... BUT. The counterarguments above are also convincing. And I have a few more thoughts about color theory.

So, the primary colors of light that we conventionally use are Red, Blue and Green. These are additive colors: white light is the combination of all of those lightwaves. And there's a lot made about gems being made of Light (emphasized in the FTL travel episode). CMY(K) is the basis for most of our pigment and ink printing: subtractive color. When you add Cyan, Magenta, and Yellow together, you don't get white, you get black. You start with White light, and take away varying wavelengths of C, M and Y (by using pigments that absorb varying wavelengths out of the white light) to create color.

Then again, gems themselves are as color filters. A yellow gem is so because it filters out all the non-yellow wavelengths of light. And light filters, being subtractive, are often CMY.

Consider also that white diamonds are usually just called "diamonds." They're typically thought of as "plain" or "normal" diamonds.

If white were the combination of primary colored lights, wouldn't they be red, green, and blue (which colors of diamond do exist)? Or is it CMY under the gem=filter theory?

Either way... Could it be that we're looking at it backwards? Maybe White Diamond isn't a fusion of yellow, pink and blue. Maybe yellow pink and blue are a fission of White diamond, AKA, Diamond. (Have we heard to her referred to specifically as "white diamond" yet?)

Perhaps originally there was Diamond, who was white, and was the combination of all light (which is gem life). Then she split into her three primary colors: yellow, magenta and cyan pink and blue. These three primary colors then gave rise to full spectrum of color, etc. etc. Is White Diamond their creation myth? Is she literally their Goddess? The diamonds do kind of fill the roles not just of leader, but of demigod. Perhaps these three gem (demi?)goddesses then proceeded to create gem life and society as we now know it. It's true that White is often shown in both versions of symbol with the others... but white is always on top.

Maybe the underlying secret of fusion is that by mixing colored light, you create new colors, which in a race of Light filtered through colored rocks and Hardened means it's creating new life. Maybe it's originally taboo because it treads on divinity's power of creation. OR maybe because it is sacrilege; maybe FISSION is divine creation, and FUSION is undoing and perverting the natural order. Maybe? Am I thinking way too hard about this?

This could also explain the types and varieties of gems we've seen. It seems that every cut of gem is related to a certain diamond they refer to as "their" diamond in fervent devotion, generally associated by color. Various pinks purples and reds under Pink, blues under blue, etc. If so: where are White Diamond's gems? It's true there's still a lot about gem life and hierarchy we don't know yet, but...

(I'm currently trying to find a scientific breakdown of how based on convention this all is; If you started with darkness and added cyan, magenta, and yellow light would you then get white? In theory, the color wheel should work with any three points, and our RGB/CMY systems are based on convention? Or is it something intrinsic to the three cones in our eyes? Also sorting through adding, subtracting, colors of light, filters on lights, it all starts to get kind of confusing, so I might be missing something or conflating things or whatever.)
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:49 PM
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There's a lot of theories floating around but I don't think any of them are as exciting as White Diamond just being one more giant badass diva like the ones we've seen, except moreso.
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My favourite (silly) fan theory is tracing the parallels of grief with Pink Diamond as Rose, Blue Diamond as Pearl, and Yellow Diamond as Garnet to say that White Diamond's been busy offscreen as Amethyst and going through some aristocratic / plundering kids-show space hedonism for grandiose millennia.
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Old 02-14-2017, 07:05 AM
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I loved that most recent episode more than is reasonable. That being said, Pumpkin is obviously Amethyst, I mean come on.

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I don't have anything to add, but FYI, I watched this in its entirety back in the day. I love the quiet, melancholy intro.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:01 AM
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:17 PM
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Is it just me, or is "Storm in the Room" mainly an extremely intense recap episode? That's not a complaint, by the way. I'm always very impressed with how this show works within its format but carries it in a wholly unique direction. The purpose of a recap episode is to reestablish the stakes of the wider conflict for the benefit of upcoming episodes' clarity. Because it's Steven Universe, the stakes - and, presumably, the conflict - are chiefly and explicitly emotional in nature.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:39 PM
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Re: Storm in the Room, the camera sure lingered on those earrings, huh.

One of my favorite things about this show is how they frequently go a different direction than I'm expecting, like having an episode where Steven meets his mom when we just learned that there are other Rose Quartzes still in existence. Who are not Steven's mom, of course, but do invite the prospect of a reunion of sorts. It reads at first glance as a "wrong" move, playing a card too soon instead of saving it. Making me wonder if we are being set up for an anticlimax. (And if Fusion Cuisine/Jailbreak/Watermelon Island set the precedent, a further climax when we are no longer expecting it.)

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Old 02-23-2017, 09:41 PM
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Old 02-24-2017, 04:09 AM
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Ten bucks says Ronaldo made a gemsona.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:02 AM
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Googling "green and red gem" got me Bloodstone (bet this is it) but I also came across Andesine and Ruby Zoisite.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:35 AM
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Also I went back to the first few pages of this thread to read people's reactions up to the first Steven Bomb (which had "Jailbreak"). I wasn't disappointed.

Side note, something I've been saying as a lifelong Transformers fan is that Steven Universe is the greatest Transformers cartoon ever.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:28 AM
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I haven't heard that one before.
I feel like it could use a few thousand words to explain it.
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Old 02-24-2017, 05:22 PM
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Rocknaldo is, I think, uncannily topical.
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Old 02-24-2017, 06:38 PM
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I haven't heard that one before.
I feel like it could use a few thousand words to explain it.
I don't know if I have a few thousand words in me for it, but consider the basic gist of most Transformers fiction.

You have a race of interstellar, shapeshifting beings that have a history of interstellar war. They are made of a material that in our reality is considered nonliving, but they are living and sapient. They live for thousands or millions of years. Despite being so alien, they resemble humans both in appearance in form and actions. They have colorful personalities and evocative names.

They technically have no gender (depending on the writer) but almost all of them are codified as male.

The primal version of TF fiction involves a small band of "good guys" who live in a half-ruined base in a remote part of the US. They befriend some humans who grown to learn about this strange alien culture and become wrapped up in their war. As the story goes on we learn more about the alien race and their origins and place in the universe.

Other versions of TF stories may approach it differently, but they almost always come back to the relationship between humans and sentient machines.

SU takes a lot of these themes, especially the human/alien relationship angle, and explores them in ways that TF media has barely even touched.

For example, recent TF comics have brought in the concept of "Functionism," a code of law that limits a Transformer's job to whatever the function of his alt mode. So if you transform into a mining vehicle, mining is all you will ever do. Strikingly similar to the way Gem Homeworld works.

It's just too bad that we don't have an extensive toyline of transforming Crystal Gem action figures.
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Old 02-24-2017, 10:24 PM
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In retrospect I had a lot of interest in shows and toys where all the main characters were non-gendered, including Transformers(even if they were written as male), Lego(back when they all just had smiley faces) and Care Bears(who technically have genders but who can tell). Aside from that, though, I see SU much more as "all the good parts of anime with none of the bad."
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Old 02-25-2017, 02:24 AM
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I watched Storm in the Room and Rocknaldo.

Storm: This episode is really heavy and deals with a lot of feelings in just 10 minutes. It made me feel lonely when Steven's at home alone, it made me feel pretty much everything Steven was showing... I hope this show is reaching younger people, since it gives a deeper view of life than most TV shows do.

Rocknaldo: Really funny in an obnoxious way, and I liked that Steven still wanted to help him, all the way to the end. But it was also sad to see the show go in such a cynical direction for an episode. I really don't want Steven's lesson to be "you can't help everybody, so don't try when they're bothering you."
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Rocknaldo: Really funny in an obnoxious way, and I liked that Steven still wanted to help him, all the way to the end. But it was also sad to see the show go in such a cynical direction for an episode. I really don't want Steven's lesson to be "you can't help everybody, so don't try when they're bothering you."
I don't think the lesson is "don't try". I think it's "if the way you're trying isn't working and is harming your own well-being, it's okay to stop and try something different, even if it means stepping back from your most compassionate ideal". After all, Ronaldo *did* end up in a (slightly) better place, and it happened after getting kicked back out of the gem's place. Compassion is great but sometimes a little tough love really is necessary.
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Still waiting for a good Ronaldo episode.
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Old 02-25-2017, 10:04 AM
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Ronaldo episodes are mostly too on the nose/hit too close to home for me to enjoy as much as other episodes, but I do think they teach some great lessons and are good for the show overall.
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Assuming I understand their pipeline: Rocknaldo was written at about the time Zuke got into a snafu on twitter. So... It's kind of- It's got a lot of that End of Eva stuff going on without any of the fanservice EoE elected to indulge in.
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Rocknaldo: Really funny in an obnoxious way, and I liked that Steven still wanted to help him, all the way to the end. But it was also sad to see the show go in such a cynical direction for an episode. I really don't want Steven's lesson to be "you can't help everybody, so don't try when they're bothering you."
The meanness the writers show towards Renaldo clashes pretty bad with the rest of the show, yeah
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Old 02-26-2017, 07:30 PM
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Ronaldo has always been my least favorite SU character. Even before internet conspiracy theorists became a daily threat to the stability of world politics and therefore an innately depressing topic, he seemed like a misaimed stereotype, a character who wandered in from a sitcom from ten years ago. This episode comes closest to making the character work simply by taking him at face value, and it fits in with an overall theme of You Can't Save Everybody But You Should Still Try that we've seen in the last couple of seasons. Given that SU has this character and that theme, it seems almost mandatory to make this episode combining them, but I certainly wouldn't mind if it closed the book on Ronaldo.
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He bought a sword at an anime convention. I love that
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