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Old 07-24-2017, 11:01 AM
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I read Jurassic Park back when I was a fresh-faced teen with his head in the clouds and a dream in his heart. So all I remember of it is that it's different from the movie and had one really stupid part.

Now in adulthood, I've started reading it again and oh... oh man...

There are so many more than one stupid parts...
I think a lot of people who were young-ish were Jurassic Park came out had something like this experience.

It turns out that Steven Speilberg is a much better director than Michael Crichton is a novelist.

Sometimes the movie really is better than the book, and this is one of those times.
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:06 AM
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At worst, it's a not-strictly-necessary Gene Wolfe novel.

I think it makes New Sun worse, but that's just my personal opinion.
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:23 PM
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Sometimes the movie really is better than the book, and this is one of those times.
I say this about The Princess Bride a lot.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:22 PM
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I say this about The Princess Bride a lot.
Even the story behind the movie is better than the book.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:26 PM
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I'd say that the movie of Princess Bride is better than the book, but it's kind of a close race.

Also; I'm about a hundred pages in now and, boy, everyone in this is has a hard time coming to grips with the idea of a female doctor.

I don't know quite what this says about Micheal Crichton, but it feels like it's saying a lot.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:43 PM
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I'm not even saying The Princess Bride isn't a good book, but it's an outstanding movie.

The book feels like a rough draft of it in a lot of ways. The movie is more streamlined, a lot of characters (especially Vizzini) were changed for the better, and the narrator fits into the story in a more organic, less self-satisfied way.

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Old 07-24-2017, 08:35 PM
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I count The Princess Bride among my favorite books, but I would agree the movie is better.
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:50 PM
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I would up finding a copy of Urth and picking it up, but I'm leaving it be for a while. The biography of St. Seraphim of Sarov I bought along with it will probably take priority.

I wound up really, really liking Orthodox Alaska. Up next: Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:05 AM
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As I always say: The Princess Bride is a novel for the middle-aged that was adapted into a movie for children, and their relative popularity reflects that.
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:56 AM
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I'd say that the movie of Princess Bride is better than the book, but it's kind of a close race.

Also; I'm about a hundred pages in now and, boy, everyone in this is has a hard time coming to grips with the idea of a female doctor.

I don't know quite what this says about Micheal Crichton, but it feels like it's saying a lot.
Yeah my Crichton phase occurred in college, when I was not particularly woke to this sort of thing. All I know is I loved the book then, along with most other Crichtons I read.

Just finished 1984. High School Dracula couldn't contend with such a bleak story when he was supposed to read it for class, but Nowadays Dracula understands much better its importance and relevance.

My copy has an essay in the back that I found darkly funny. Basically, the writer explains Orwell's ideas behind doublethink and applies them to the modern world. He then goes on to say "you will be tempted to see these qualities only in other cultures, like Russia and China [this essay was written in 1960], but actually it's just as prevalent in our own society."
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:38 PM
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My wife's first book got published.

It's a contemporary fiction romance with a main character struggling with addiction and the difficulty of becoming a better person. If that's the sort of thing you'd find appealing, we'd really appreciate it if you bought a copy. Requesting your local library pick it up would be super rad too.

As the first book from an author published through an independent press, an optimistic outlook for sales is "a couple hundred". So every copy that sells is meaningful, in that pretty-good sales figures will make it more likely that her next book gets published too.

Amazon Link | B&N Link | Play Store ebook | Kobo ebook | Indiebound paperback
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:48 AM
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Congrats, R^2!

Started reading Meddling Kids last night. Completely bonkers so far. A welcome breath of air after finishing 1984.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:57 AM
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That's great! Congratulations R^2!
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:56 AM
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Congrats, R^2!

Started reading Meddling Kids last night. Completely bonkers so far. A welcome breath of air after finishing 1984.
I so want to read that
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:29 AM
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You have both my curiosity and attention...
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:50 AM
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OK. Here's the part where, I think, the book won me over. (Violence warning)



"The thing is, I'm legally obligated to respectfully ask you to stop behaving like inbred dicks before I go on to beat the shit out of you."

Silence. The kind upon which comedians would shoot themselves onstage.

"Are you now?" Alpha calmly said, his surprise concealed behind his Ray-Bans.

"Yes, well, you see, because I've had military training, and lots of experience gathered here and there, I've become so proficient in battle that on one occasion, after a brawl in a bikers' joint in Sturgis, South Dakota, a judge dictated that I should not engage in a fight without giving fair warning. In particular, my nut kicks are astoundingly accurate." She waited for some feedback from the other side, then chose to continue. "Because, you know, when you get kicked in the balls, as I imagine you know from personal experience, your ballsack just gets squished into your pelvis. Soft tissue and your clothes absorb most of the impact while the testes themselves are pushed to safety. Because testicles are some slippery little rascals," she said, pulling her left hand out of her pocket and showing her lucky charm to the rest of the class. The men stared blankly at what very unambiguously looked like a plastic penguin.

"See, if you examine your scrotum," Andy went on, "you'll notice you are able to locate the nut, but if you try to pinch it, which is kind of painful ... (She roughly squeezes the toy, making it squeak, and the lower half of the penguin bloat-pops out of her fist.) ... it always squirms out of your grip."

"Yes, mine do that," one of the men said, wildly interested.

"Yeah, right? But here's the thing: my nut-cracking kicks are literally nut cracking. The testes cannot escape the impact. At least one of them always bursts open, and sperm pours into your bloodstream and it's a disaster are all over your netherlands. And you'll never get that teste back, so your reproductive ability is lowered fifty percent for life. Not to mention it reportedly hurts like giving birth to a sea urchin through your pee hole. But I wouldn't know that, of course."

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Old 07-26-2017, 11:04 AM
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That wasn't the kind of information I was seeking. And yet you chose to respond correctly as that sucker is heading on to my Kindle toot suite.

Well done, Dracuman.
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Old 07-26-2017, 02:00 PM
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:00 PM
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I have picked up Racing the Beam! I should probably skip past the first chapter because it's trying to establish an academic context and I am an academic who also likes video games and thus for the most part it is only telling me stuff I am already aware of!
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:21 PM
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I read Jurassic Park back when I was a fresh-faced teen with his head in the clouds and a dream in his heart. So all I remember of it is that it's different from the movie and had one really stupid part.

Now in adulthood, I've started reading it again and oh... oh man...

There are so many more than one stupid parts...
I re-read this and TLW when JW came and screenshotted countless infuriating Ian Malcom thoughts for my eventual twitter feud with him, I guess.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:28 PM
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Old 07-30-2017, 10:45 AM
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Haven't read anything horror related in a while, so I'm giving Hell Train by Christopher Fowler a shot
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:06 AM
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Something snapped in me recently and I started to have a lot of trouble reading fantasy. For all the genre's emphasis on world-building, the worlds always feel so empty to me, lacking the granularity, the organic complexity, the connective tissue that makes the real world feel alive. I get that a lot of the point of the genre is to serve as escapism or allegory, but I could still only make it about 150 pages into N.K. Jemisin's The Fifth Season before getting bored. I just didn't give a shit.

I know this board is full of fantasy fanatics, and I'm not trying to be contrarian or shout I DON'T LIKE THING — I'm just wondering if anyone else here has hit this wall before, and whether there are any particular series or authors who have helped you overcome it.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:29 AM
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Shifting over to another genre for a while helps.

And, to be fair, a sizeable chunk of the genre plays a fairly conservative game with itself. Getting burnt out can be very easy.
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Old 07-30-2017, 04:49 PM
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Finished Billy and the Cloneasaurus. And it was fine. Not great. But fine.

And since the movie is, without question, one of my favorite movies ever produced, I can't fully express how disappointing that mediocrity is.

For the sections that were the same, I kept thinking to how much more I liked these scenes in the film, and the parts that didn't make the cut felt really unnecessary. Also a lot of the characterization felt extremely inconsistent; to the point that I suspect Crichton took a break in the middle of writing and didn't bother to go back and check what he'd already written; Hammond alone seems to have three different personalities that he jumps between at random and the action near the books climax jumps around so much and changes things around so abruptly that it's hard to keep track of things.

And considering how much of the book is focused on SCIENCE! talk and explaining the biochemistry of the dinosaurs, it's kind of weird how many full chapters are dedicated to a dying man delivering speeches about how science is BULLSHIT! THERES NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE, DUMBASS!

I feel like I'm coming down harder on the book then it warrants. Like I said, it's fine. But Jurassic Park the movie is a big deal to me. And this is not.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:59 PM
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Congrats, R^2!

Started reading Meddling Kids last night. Completely bonkers so far. A welcome breath of air after finishing 1984.
Trivia! The author of Meddling Kids, Edgar Cantero, is from Barcelona, and he worked as a cartoonist for the Spanish magazine El Jueves (the spanish equivalent to Charlie Hebdo), where he had a strip about him working at the magazine and the stuff that happened behind the scenes. The strip is funny as hell, and I have original art of his cartoon counterpart disguised as Sherlock Holmes that I 'won' after decyphering a dancing man cypher he hid in some panels of a parody he wrote of the Robert Downey Jr. Holmes movie for El Jueves-

Things you have to get from this anecdote: he's a writer who is equal parts funny, weird and meta. And you can't trust when Italk about his works because I'm an unshamed fan. Right now I'm reading his previous book The Supernatural Enhancements and it is very good so far.

EDIT: Oh yeah, he also has a fetish for tomboyish quirky characters. That quirkyness usually, but not always, manifests in violent ways. That excerpt Dracula posted looks on point.
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Shifting over to another genre for a while helps.

And, to be fair, a sizeable chunk of the genre plays a fairly conservative game with itself. Getting burnt out can be very easy.
I think I'm just in the wrong headspace and took it out on an entire genre. I've been having trouble settling down and reading just about anything lately. Might need some comfort food.
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:11 AM
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Also a lot of the characterization felt extremely inconsistent; to the point that I suspect Crichton took a break in the middle of writing and didn't bother to go back and check what he'd already written; Hammond alone seems to have three different personalities that he jumps between at random and the action near the books climax jumps around so much and changes things around so abruptly that it's hard to keep track of things.

And considering how much of the book is focused on SCIENCE! talk and explaining the biochemistry of the dinosaurs, it's kind of weird how many full chapters are dedicated to a dying man delivering speeches about how science is BULLSHIT! THERES NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE, DUMBASS!
To be fair, in the movie, Hammond starts off with a Scottish accent which then totally disappears in every subsequent scene. Accurate!

(I forgot about the stuff regarding climate change, ha ha, oh man.)

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Trivia! The author of Meddling Kids, Edgar Cantero, is from Barcelona, and he worked as a cartoonist for the Spanish magazine El Jueves (the spanish equivalent to Charlie Hebdo), where he had a strip about him working at the magazine and the stuff that happened behind the scenes. The strip is funny as hell, and I have original art of his cartoon counterpart disguised as Sherlock Holmes that I 'won' after decyphering a dancing man cypher he hid in some panels of a parody he wrote of the Robert Downey Jr. Holmes movie for El Jueves-

Things you have to get from this anecdote: he's a writer who is equal parts funny, weird and meta. And you can't trust when Italk about his works because I'm an unshamed fan. Right now I'm reading his previous book The Supernatural Enhancements and it is very good so far.

EDIT: Oh yeah, he also has a fetish for tomboyish quirky characters. That quirkyness usually, but not always, manifests in violent ways. That excerpt Dracula posted looks on point.
Apparently he also wrote Meddling Kids in English, and I would never guess it's a book written in a language that's not the author's first.

Liking it a lot so far.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:00 AM
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Apparently he also wrote Meddling Kids in English, and I would never guess it's a book written in a language that's not the author's first.

Liking it a lot so far.
Off topic: for a brief period of time I was a beta reader for a Scandinavian author whose English was very, very good, but they wanted a primary speaker to check their stories over. The most vivid thing I remember about that experience was our getting into a long-winded debate over whether the proper term for black specks on glass (in this case, a mirror) is "flyspecks" or "fly shit."

On topic: finished Daughter of the Forest, which was quite good.

And, speaking of a change of pace from fantasy, I'm now doing a buddy read of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance with my brother. Since I was only a philosophy minor, and haven't read any philosophy in the meantime, it's had the peculiar effect of being both very readable and barely-comprehensible at the same time.
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