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Old 11-09-2008, 09:55 PM
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So not to spam but I'm planning to revisit Neon Genesis Evangelion. I was just curious if anyone wanted to follow along.

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Old 11-09-2008, 10:26 PM
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Do it. I re-watched Eva last year with some friends who had never seen it and it was hilarious fun. Especially the movie.

I view Eva nowadays in the same way I view Metal Gear (as helped by this site; I think it was alexb that pointed this out about Metal Gear?): When you strip away the horrible pacing and the typical anime nonsense and the downright idiotic philosophical musings, there is an alright story there. Shinji could have been a Hamlet-esque tragic character in the hands of a more skilled storyteller.

EDIT: Alternatively, you could check out Serial Experiments Lain. It's basically the same story as Evangelion, but executed much more cleanly and in half the time. Still full of silly philosophy, though.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:33 PM
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Yeah, I'm hoping to still like it, the first two episodes held up surprisingly well.

I've seen Lain before good stuff.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:44 AM
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Yeah, I'm hoping to still like it, the first two episodes held up surprisingly well.
The first two episodes are amazing, and I say that as someone who has become quite disillusioned with Evangelion since I first saw it. I knew practically nothing about the show at the time I saw those and they convinced me to see the rest; in the same situation I'm sure I'd do it again today.

The idea that the pilots felt everything that happened to the Evas shattered the sense of giant robots as powerful, indestructible armor that I'd had since the days of Tranzor Z. If Evangelion did one thing right, it made the main characters' pilot experiences intense, desperate, threatening, and real to me to a degree practically nothing else has. I still remember the pounding in my chest watching that first five minutes of Episode 2. That same concept made Asuka's death in EoE one of the most horrifying, gut-wrenching things I've ever watched. It is one of a very few things I have vowed to only ever see once.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:06 AM
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I've watched the beginning 2/3rds of Eva many times, and own the platinum edition. I always manage to lose interest at the point where it starts to get seriously headtrippy, but I'm satisfied with the mech show that it is before that point.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:28 AM
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My friend claimed that EVA was actually structured extremely carefully and tightly around existential philosophy. I never actually heard the explanation from him because I hadn't seen it yet at that point and didn't want SPOILARS, but I should go back and have him tell me about it one of these days.
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Old 11-10-2008, 03:33 PM
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The idea that the pilots felt everything that happened to the Evas shattered the sense of giant robots as powerful, indestructible armor that I'd had since the days of Tranzor Z. If Evangelion did one thing right, it made the main characters' pilot experiences intense, desperate, threatening, and real to me to a degree practically nothing else has. I still remember the pounding in my chest watching that first five minutes of Episode 2. That same concept made Asuka's death in EoE one of the most horrifying, gut-wrenching things I've ever watched. It is one of a very few things I have vowed to only ever see once.
This is another reason why I still like Evangelion--the battles are visceral and downright terrifying. Many of the fights are knock down drag out matches through hand to hand combat. It's completely brutal; ripping apart each other's limbs and stabbing and strangling. And through it all the children FEEL it as if it were their own limbs through the mind link.
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And through it all the children FEEL it as if it were their own limbs through the mind link.
I'm not feeling it. Pound away giant robots that bleed!
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Old 11-10-2008, 06:40 PM
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This is another reason why I still like Evangelion--the battles are visceral and downright terrifying. Many of the fights are knock down drag out matches through hand to hand combat. It's completely brutal; ripping apart each other's limbs and stabbing and strangling. And through it all the children FEEL it as if it were their own limbs through the mind link.
I think Episode 18 is the best part of the anime for this reason - it's just so tense and terrifying. Of course, the censors and sponsors were not happy about that bit of the show. But after that moment with Eva Unit 03, Eva really turns horrific.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:06 AM
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That same concept made Asuka's death in EoE one of the most horrifying, gut-wrenching things I've ever watched. It is one of a very few things I have vowed to only ever see once.
I re-watched this scene. Dammit, another action scene using Bach's Air to the point of dissonance.

*tears hair out of head*
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:14 AM
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It's pretty much impossible for me to separate Evangelion now from the Evangelion that me eight years ago found to be The Most Amazing Thing Ever.

Also, I still think the second half of EoE is one of the most amazing things ever, and possibly the high point of the series. You heard me.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:34 PM
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You should just wait and watch the new versions.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:35 PM
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Yeah I'm looking forward to those completist that I am (though not enough to buy Death And Rebirth)

Any word when The American Release will be. I'll probably actually plunk down the money to grab em.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:36 PM
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Considering part 2 isn't coming out till summer 2009, I'd say 2011 would be an optimistic guess.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:51 PM
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I revisited the series myself a few years ago with the Platinum DVD release of the show.

I still like it. The whole series is uneven and unwieldy as hell, but it manages to stay in one piece through masterful direction. I love the layouts of the shots in this show, and the editing and the way it's cut together gives tremendous strength to scenes that would otherwise flounder in angst or melodrama.

Hideaki Anno is a bastard to his characters, forcing them through every hell imaginable. I find it fascinating, just the way that everything breaks apart during the final half, and cause and effect compound on the characters, bringing them against each other and destroying them.

With better overall pacing and fewer anime cliches, Evangelion could've been top grade tragedy. As it stands, it's still interesting, so long as you can emphasize with a main character with a hard lot that hates himself.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:10 PM
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I don't understand the hate Eva gets from some people. Most of its problems can be found in most anime, and the parts that are good are really special.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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and the parts that are good are really special.
That's what I'm counting on. I'm looking forward to this. I bought the platinum boxset when it came out, but it's just something I've never had the time to watch all the way through again. I've showed EoE to some stoner friends of mine from time to time, always presaged by "You Guys want to see something REALLY fucked up."

But I haven't seen the series as a whole in eight years, so yeah should be good.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:50 PM
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I still have the original boxset lying around somewhere. I'm sort of curious myself now to see if my perspective on it has changed significantly or anything.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:25 AM
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I don't understand the hate Eva gets from some people. Most of its problems can be found in most anime, and the parts that are good are really special.
I think the biggest problem is Shinji. There are ways to make a main character that is tragic, conflicted, or weak but still appealing in some way. Shinji is kind of just a whiny little bitch.

I think I'm probably in the minority of people who really love End of Evangelion, mostly because it portrays Shinji as the weaklink he is, but in the end he finally does something. The apocalyptic/reborn world thing is pretty awesome, and the surviving half of Rei's face lying slanted in the sea of the new world is incredibly iconic.

And Asuka has some great scenes. It's just all good, really.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:30 AM
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I think the biggest problem is Shinji. There are ways to make a main character that is tragic, conflicted, or weak but still appealing in some way. Shinji is kind of just a whiny little bitch.
Yeah I kind of get into this in the first episode write up. I don't buy it, it's easy to say that, but really take a depressive fourteen year old with abandonment issues, put him at the whims of distant authority figures and cruel peers, and then put the literal weight of the world on his shoulders, and how do you expect him to act?

It'd be unrealistic to portray him as otherwise. That's what I like about Eva, and dislike most Mech shows, it's not the typical power fantasy.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:40 AM
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My friend claimed that EVA was actually structured extremely carefully and tightly around existential philosophy
It's a philosophy I don't have much patience for but it would be interesting to see how this is so.

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I didn't see that post on Gangs of New York and the elections. I think I left a comment confirming that GoNY is indeed awesome.

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Old 11-10-2008, 12:38 PM
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Every time I rewatch Eva in its entirety, my hatred is given new life. Every second wasted moving toward what is unquestionably my least favorite series ending ever is a reason to end all rational thought and go on a rampage. I can still enjoy the beginning well enough as long as I utterly dissociate it from the second half of the series, but the second "HUMAN INSTRUMENTALITY PROJECT" or "KAWORU" or "REI'S YOUR MOM, EXCEPT NOT QUITE" or "CONGRATULATIONS" enters my head, all that is left is bitter violent anger.
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The only way to finish the series is to skip the last two episodes and watch The End of Evangelion instead.
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"KAWORU" ... bitter violent anger.
Why? The relationship between Kaworu and Shinji is one of the best parts of the series.
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Why? The relationship between Kaworu and Shinji is one of the best parts of the series.
Because it comes across to me as several different kinds of ridiculous in nearly every facet.

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Kaworu: Shinji, I love you despite having known you for all of two days.

Shinji: I accept this love without question despite every part of my life involving the love of another turning out poorly for me. Surely this time will work out.

Kaworu: I am an angel, but also human, pity me, and Shinji

Shinji: Nooo, I've killed the only person to love and understand me, leave alone the fact that this part of the plot is so poorly developed that the only emotion it inspires is bewilderment.
Really, I could see it being interesting if Kaworu was developed at all beyond "I love you Shinji, I alone understand you" but, really, it isn't. My memory is a tad fuzzy though because it has been years since I subjected myself to the series conclusion.
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:09 PM
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Because it comes across to me as several different kinds of ridiculous in nearly every facet.



Really, I could see it being interesting if Kaworu was developed at all beyond "I love you Shinji, I alone understand you" but, really, it isn't. My memory is a tad fuzzy though because it has been years since I subjected myself to the series conclusion.
Read the comic.
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:02 PM
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I've been meaning to rewatch the series, but it's hard to find time.
One day when I was very sick, I sat down and watched the whole damn thing. If you're ever home sick from work one day, I recommend you do the same.
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So not to spam but I'm planning to revisit Neon Genesis Evangelion. I was just curious if anyone wanted to follow along.

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I rather enjoyed these posts, Evil Dead Junkie!

Partially because I enjoy someone justifying me for enjoying evangelion thoroughly, even though it is an over-wrought, pretentious mess quite often.

But mostly because you dissect it very well. Without sounding pretentious or over-wrought yourself.
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The meta-context of EVA's ending is "the candle that burns twice as bright burns through it's animation budget twice as quick".
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I prefer End of Eva because it's fucking OUT OF ITS MIND
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