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Old 07-28-2013, 02:48 PM
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:55 PM
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Put it on hold at the library, but no word yet.

EDIT: Got it today!

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Old 07-31-2013, 08:36 PM
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got my library card today

got my copy of M&M

apparently it's the Michael Glenny translation. let's compare quotes!
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:05 PM
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I love The Master and Margarita, it pretty much opened me up to the world of Russian literature.

I have the Burgin and O'Connor translation so I'll try to keep up with everyone as best as I can, but I'm also reading three other books so I may get left behind in the dust after a while.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:26 PM
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I've got the Pevear and Volokhonsky translation.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:59 PM
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Old 08-01-2013, 08:48 AM
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:18 PM
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I only discovered this tonight, and I'm pretty caught up in John Scalzi's Fuzzy Nation, so I'm going to pass on M&M, but probably jump on the September book.

A couple suggestions to add to the list:
Watchmen, by Alan Moore (want to reread it anyway)

A Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley (read it over a decade ago in high school and hated it, but I'm a grown ass man now who will, you know, actually understand it)

The Postman, by David Brin (the movie that inspired the Kevin Costner film which, really, isn't that bad)
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:05 PM
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I was going to say that maybe Watchmen shouldn't be on the list on grounds of not being a book but one of them there graphic novel things, but then I had terrifying images of threads and posters arguing what should or shouldn't count proliferating unto a veritable phantasmagoria of bewilderment (just trying to define broad genre distinctions between SF and fantasy could keep us busy for pages).

I could also be overthinking this.
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:21 PM
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Watchmen is a book. Any group of bound pages with stuff printed on it is a book. Watchmen is not a novel, but rather a graphic novel or comic or what have you.

Anyway.

Brave New World is an interesting suggestion, although it's not so much a good novel as it is a good thought experiment. It's still an important read, though. It works especially well if you read Amusing Ourselves to Death right after.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:09 AM
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One will be selected for each month and then we'll have threads to discuss said books/graphic novels.[/URL]
I was mostly just going by this.

Hell, Karzac's definition actually prevents us from reading e-books, if we apply the letter but not the spirit, because they aren't printed and bound. Basically, yeah, we could spend an entire thread going around in circles and not getting anything actually read if we don't just say poo, here are things that aren't video games or TV shows or movies or plays or performance pieces or music that we should enjoy by reading the words they use to express themselves.

As to Brave New World, I just bought a copy for super cheap and always kind of felt guilty about not understanding it in the 10th grade. In my defense that teacher was a fucking joke and didn't do shit to engage the class and made me hate Macbeth because I got stuck with the group with the guy who couldn't read the word "cock" without losing his shit.

Personally I find most dystopias to be kind of a let-down so I wouldn't be surprised if Huxley does so too.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:34 AM
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Good point about ebooks.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:05 AM
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The thing that would keep me from suggesting graphic novels is that they're a lot harder to find in libraries than regular novels.
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If we're going to do an Alan Moore comic let us do From Hell instead. Watchmen's been analyzed to death and co-opted by awful nerds.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:13 AM
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The thing that would keep me from suggesting graphic novels is that they're a lot harder to find in libraries than regular novels.
Your libraries suck (or have shit budgets, more like).

I agree about Watchmen v. From Hell, I just want to reread the former because I didn't read all the weird newspapers and stuff in there the first time because I'm some kind of fool I guess?

I haven't read From Hell, so I'd be down for that, or whatever Lord Book Club decides on, of course.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:20 AM
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or whatever Lord Book Club decides on, of course.
Okay. Tristram Shandy it is, then.
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We could read Lost Girls and discuss how the book is NOT porn, no matter what Moore says in the introduction, because it utterly fails as wank material.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:10 PM
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Zodar's quote here makes me want to read Water Margin
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Also it looks like I gotta check out Sidney Shapiro's translation of Water Margin (or Outlaws of the Marsh)
and I also want to read Wolf Hall but we don't need to Club a book everyone (else) just read.

I also have an unread Pevear and Volokhonsky translation of Crime and Punishment but then this would turn into the P&V Russian Book Club.

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Old 08-14-2013, 07:29 PM
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We could read Lost Girls and discuss how the book is NOT porn, no matter what Moore says in the introduction, because it utterly fails as wank material.
No, see, it's the kind of porn you discuss, not the kind you fap to.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:38 PM
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No its the kind of porn that turns its author into a raging hypocrite.

I would really like to read a John Irving book, because I've never read a John Irving book in full before.

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Old 08-16-2013, 01:59 PM
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No its the kind of porn that turns its author into a raging hypocrite.

I would really like to read a John Irving book, because I've never read a John Irving book in full before.

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John Irving's okay, but I don't know that that's anything to feel ashamed about.

The more I think about it, the more I'm serious about my Tristram Shandy recommendation upstream.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:03 PM
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My problem with a reading club is the reading schedule, so I had an idea the other day that something like a Victorian serial novel that was published in chunks might be a fun way to read things in parallel with other people. I googled to see if you could get the original Dickens serials this way, and not only were they available, Kindle was doing them for free for the Kindle Singles program. However, that seems to have stopped and you now just get the whole book free in one lump with a page here and there to indicate where each serialized issue would have ended. Also the Dickens stories were monthly installments and Kindle only did Pickwick Papers and Oliver Twist and no one really wants to read those slowly and we all know how Oliver Twist turns out anyway.

tl;dr - I subscribed to the Moby Dick Big Read podcast in iTunes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:14 PM
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My problem with a reading club is the reading schedule, so I had an idea the other day that something like a Victorian serial novel that was published in chunks might be a fun way to read things in parallel with other people. I googled to see if you could get the original Dickens serials this way, and not only were they available, Kindle was doing them for free for the Kindle Singles program. However, that seems to have stopped and you now just get the whole book free in one lump with a page here and there to indicate where each serialized issue would have ended. Also the Dickens stories were monthly installments and Kindle only did Pickwick Papers and Oliver Twist and no one really wants to read those slowly and we all know how Oliver Twist turns out anyway.

tl;dr - I subscribed to the Moby Dick Big Read podcast in iTunes.

A book a month doesn't seem onerous to me. What do other people think?
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:27 PM
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I consider a book a month to be pretty durn reasonable.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:09 PM
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Sorry, I was just lamenting that we aren't all reading in sync so we can't await news of Little Nell's fate together or anything. I wasn't asking for more time; I was asking for more good stopping places.

For example, I was pacing myself on The Master and Margarita at a few chapters an evening until I got to Book 2, where I really got into it and then read the whole thing in a couple of sittings. But I don't want to arbitrarily stop at milestone chapters, either, so I tried to think of books that would be naturally episodic and thought of serial publication.

The Moby Dick thing was a chapter-a-day audio podcast that already finished, but I could still listen to it a chapter a day. Also Benedict Cumberbatch reads chapter 58.

And of course it turns out TM&M has exactly 31 chapters if I'd really wanted to read it that way...

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Old 08-18-2013, 07:05 AM
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I think the episodic idea is neat, but we could just pick "arbitrary" milestones or, we could set a date in each month at which point we start writing about the completed book, so we're sort of staggering reading and commenting.

I've never actually been in a book club before, just graduate history seminars where it's like, read all* of the book and then we'll talk about it next week. So a book in a month is way easy for me, unless it's just boring as hell and I don't read it.


*Nobody ever reads the whole book, unless its mercifully short or they really, really need it for their own work.
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I've been having the exact same thoughts.

Didn't we do the checkpoints thing once? Each week the OP made a new post with where we were that week? I liked that.
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Old 08-18-2013, 11:10 AM
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I'm going to say that 5 days before the end of the month is when you can start talking about the entire book. After the 15th you can talk about the first half of the book.

I'm also thinking that we might alternate monthly between serious literature and genre, more light hearted stuff. So September would be light reading?

How do we feel about that?
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Zodar's quote here makes me want to read Water Margin
Water Margin is cool (but then, I'm a Chinese grad...), but like any "Classic" novel that actually means Classical text, it's kind of dull going compared to any modern work. Like reading Gilgamesh, or The Illiad, or something. It's a different frame of mind, more effort, and a higher amount of patience required versus even actual Classics like Dickens.
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