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Old 01-12-2017, 09:58 AM
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I don't like Ghibli movies much.
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:30 AM
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I don't even remember the mecha cameo in Ocean Waves (that's the english title of Umi ga Kikoeru, right?), were they watching one on TV or something?
Yes and yes.
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:48 AM
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TWO CARTOONS DOWN, loved them both.

Actually, "Loved" might be selling Batman: Return of the Caped Crusader short. It's easily in the running for being not only my favorite Superhero movie, but perhaps favorite movie in general. It managed to hit the tone of Batman '66 so perfectly that the act that Joker didn't have an obviously painted mustache was incredibly distracting.

Also loved, and loved a lot more then I was expecting, was Dragonball: Battle of the Gods. From the title and the description on the back of the case, I was expecting a dramatic fighting anime about lots of Muscley Punchmen fighting FOR THE FATE OF THE EARTH.

Instead it was a comedy about everyone trying to keep a grouchy space-cat from destroying the earth on an irritated whim, with surprisingly little of the run time being dedicated to superhero fights. And when the fight finally does break out, it's because of a stolen pudding cup.

Really goes to show how much better Toriyama is at comedy then anything else.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:13 AM
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TWO CARTOONS DOWN, loved them both.

Actually, "Loved" might be selling Batman: Return of the Caped Crusader short. It's easily in the running for being not only my favorite Superhero movie, but perhaps favorite movie in general. It managed to hit the tone of Batman '66 so perfectly that the act that Joker didn't have an obviously painted mustache was incredibly distracting.

Also loved, and loved a lot more then I was expecting, was Dragonball: Battle of the Gods. From the title and the description on the back of the case, I was expecting a dramatic fighting anime about lots of Muscley Punchmen fighting FOR THE FATE OF THE EARTH.

Instead it was a comedy about everyone trying to keep a grouchy space-cat from destroying the earth on an irritated whim, with surprisingly little of the run time being dedicated to superhero fights. And when the fight finally does break out, it's because of a stolen pudding cup.

Really goes to show how much better Toriyama is at comedy then anything else.
I was also disappointed that the Joker didn't have a mustache. Enjoyed the movie. I haven't Battle of Gods but I have seen the Bingo Dance dubbed and I still laugh every single I time watch it. Speaking of anime, Octo, important question, do you like puppets?

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Old 01-12-2017, 11:17 AM
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I watched The Last King on Netflix, a movie about how Game of Thrones doesn't have enough skiing. Which after I watching I agree is undeniably true.

Its actually about twelfth century Norway and a baby king.
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Octo, important question, do you like puppets?
How could you even question that?
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:38 PM
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How could you even question that?
Then you have to at least watch the first episode of Thunderbolt Fantasy. Not a movie but I just realized it might be up your alley. You can watch it on Crunchyroll.
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I don't like Ghibli movies much.
the terrible secret of Studio Ghibli is that Miyazaki has great ideas but is terrible at stringing them together into a coherent film. The good shit is all Isao Takahata.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:40 PM
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I find that the strength of the writing in ghibli movies is less important to me than the emotional impact of the characters.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:49 PM
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the terrible secret of Studio Ghibli is that Miyazaki has great ideas but is terrible at stringing them together into a coherent film. The good shit is all Isao Takahata.
In that famous interview with Oshii where he criticizes Ponyo, they say Takahata used to help Miyazaki with structure. Even if this is true, i think Miyazaki finally did a coherent movie (without Takahata's help) in The Wind Rises.

Before that there are plenty of coherent movies too (to me, at least): Kiki's Delivery Service, My Neighbor Totoro, Porco Rosso, Castle Of Cagliostro, etc.

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Then you have to at least watch the first episode of Thunderbolt Fantasy. Not a movie but I just realized it might be up your alley. You can watch it on Crunchyroll.
I'll second figcube's recommendation! Good stuff.

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I felt much the same way. It was one of the only times I think "live action anime" was done well.
Good "live action anime" makes me think of Sion Sono's movies. There's a sensibility there that is very anime, though i can't put my finger on it.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:13 PM
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I enjoy Miyazaki's incoherent strings of good ideas.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:25 PM
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I enjoy Miyazaki's incoherent strings of good ideas.
Even Ponyo?

(That's the only Miyazaki movie i consider incoherent. It has been a while since i saw some of them though.)
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:35 PM
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Wait, "incoherent"? I find the narratives of Nausicaa, Laputa, Mononoke, and Spirited Away, at least, fairly straightforward and well constructed. I'll give you Porco Rosso, Howl, and Kiki, though, and I haven't watched Totoro in two decades so I really can't tell. But while Howl is considerably disjointed and self-indulgent, Porco Rosso and Kiki get away with it on pure charm.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:41 PM
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For me, where Miyazaki's movies don't hold together in explicit plotting they tend to make up for in "magical" coherence - even though I don't always know the rules, things seem to fit in a kind of unspoken fairy tale logic. That works for me - I can understand where others might disagree.
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:41 PM
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Porco Rosso isn't anywhere close to incoherent, its straightforward and somewhat episodic, it's picaresque.
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Yeah, I had Howl in mind specifically. It's the Miyazaki film that I feel best exemplifies his kind of "a bunch of cool ideas/scenes that are then connected rather tenuously" thing. Some movies, he's totally guilty of it. Other movies, not so much. Porco Rosso flows really well, though it's also kind of a movie where not a lot happens (which I'm fine with). I just feel like Takahata has the most consistently watchable output of the two.
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:05 PM
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Yeah, I had Howl in mind specifically. It's the Miyazaki film that I feel best exemplifies his kind of "a bunch of cool ideas/scenes that are then connected rather tenuously" thing. Some movies, he's totally guilty of it. Other movies, not so much. Porco Rosso flows really well, though it's also kind of a movie where not a lot happens (which I'm fine with). I just feel like Takahata has the most consistently watchable output of the two.
I feel like this opinion might be unpopular, since a bunch of people seem to not like My Neighbors the Yamadas and Pom Poko. People never talk about Horus because it is old and there's no way to see it, i guess.

(I love these movies though, especially the Yamadas.)
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I'm surprised that people don't like The Yamadas. I love that one.
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I wasn't too impressed with The Drop. It was kind of boring (what the hell was the point of the movie?) and the performances weren't really enough to carry it through.

Tom Hardy is in this and he's generally awesome but I think I've seen him play way too many intense characters to totally buy the super sincere and almost dense guy he plays here. And later on when it's revealed he's actually a hard ass killer, it wasn't surprising.

I also think accents is his weakest skill as an actor. He can do an American accent fine but not a Brooklyn accent (nor a Southern one in Lawless) so it's mostly his own weird hybrid accent that's a bit unintelligible.

By contrast, Matthias Schoenaerts is from Belgium and his American accent is nearly flawless. I also thought he was as good if not better than Hardy here.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:17 PM
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Takahata's best movie is one that you never want to watch a second time.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:35 PM
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To clarify, the only Ghibli movies I've seen are Kiki's Delivery Service and Spirited Away, not any of the really big ones. Maybe they're good!
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I wasn't too impressed with The Drop.
I dearly love a couple of scenes in this one, like Bob's little monologue about sin and hell from the end, but yeah, I've never felt the need to watch the whole thing a second time. It's based on a short story -- very short -- and I don't think it benefits much at all from the addition of the inside-job plotline with Gandolfini's character to stretch it out to feature length.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:49 PM
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Takahata's best movie is one that you never want to watch a second time.
Ouch, is The Cat Returns really the best he can do?
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:52 PM
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Ouch, is The Cat Returns really the best he can do?
A: Takahata didn't direct The Cat Returns.

2: As unnecessary as it is, I kind of like it.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:55 PM
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Yeah, I had Howl in mind specifically. It's the Miyazaki film that I feel best exemplifies his kind of "a bunch of cool ideas/scenes that are then connected rather tenuously" thing. Some movies, he's totally guilty of it. Other movies, not so much. Porco Rosso flows really well, though it's also kind of a movie where not a lot happens (which I'm fine with). I just feel like Takahata has the most consistently watchable output of the two.
Speaking as a Big Ghibli Fan, Howl IMO also feels like it's assembled from parts of other, better Ghibli movies. Remixing ideas that were stronger in the frameworks of earlier films. It's a beautiful frankenstein thing, stumbling around with no real direction, but it's pretty to watch. Definitely one of the weaker ones.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:00 PM
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A: Takahata didn't direct The Cat Returns.

2: As unnecessary as it is, I kind of like it.
Crap, so my snide joke failed twice!

I'll run away and go live in a cave now. This candy tin should see me through.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:01 PM
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I always like Howl's Moving Castle more while I'm watching than when thinking about it later. I agree it has some problems, but I find it very easy to watch.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:04 PM
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but I find it very easy to watch.
Yup yeah I agree totally, if people were like "tonight we're watching Howl's moving castle," I'd be like "sweet my eyes will be pleased"

but if I was going to sit down and choose one I'd probably choose a different one
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I'll go ahead and say Howl is more watchable than than Totoro in repeated viewings.
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To clarify, the only Ghibli movies I've seen are Kiki's Delivery Service and Spirited Away, not any of the really big ones. Maybe they're good!
This is probably just a cultural difference between Japan and the rest of the world, but I always thought Spirited Away was one of his biggest ones globally. Obviously it's huge here (it held the Japanese box office record until last year) but I was also under the impression that it was huge outside Japan, since its Oscar win seemed really high-profile.
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