The Return of Talking Time

Go Back   The Return of Talking Time > Talking about media > Talking about meatspace games

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1111  
Old Yesterday, 11:56 AM
Mogri's Avatar
Mogri Mogri is offline
Yes, let's feast!
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 13,959
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulgakov View Post
As someone who designs the occasional board game for fun, this story is really hard to believe.
On the contrary, I find it very easy to believe. Everyone who's never published a thing has a great thing idea, and they're afraid to tell anyone lest someone steal the idea and make their own thing.

Whether or not the man told his idea to the people who eventually made the game, he told it to someone, and the game eventually got made. Even if they stole the idea wholesale, though, it's next to impossible to win that case.
Reply With Quote
  #1112  
Old Yesterday, 12:03 PM
estragon's Avatar
estragon estragon is offline
この世の最も無智なる者
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 14,186
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrenaline View Post
This sounds obvious, but Trivial Pursuit only works with a group of people who are all interested in remembering obscure information, so its appeal is limited.
Even more difficult: You need to find a group of people who are interested in playing a board game about remembering obscure information and they also need to know a lot about sports.
Reply With Quote
  #1113  
Old Yesterday, 12:35 PM
muteKi's Avatar
muteKi muteKi is offline
ePona: Horse Ride Sharing
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Green chile cheeseburger capital of the world
Posts: 6,914
Default

I think the other lawsuit -- that one of TP's sources of information tried (and failed!) to sue for copyright of the information in their books including some intentionally fake trivia used to identify potential plagiarism -- is more interesting. Turns out you can't copyright facts.
Reply With Quote
  #1114  
Old Yesterday, 12:39 PM
dtsund's Avatar
dtsund dtsund is offline
Set phasers to hug
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,967
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBear View Post
The origin of the game might not be as simple as I just stated, though! I mean, that's if you believe a ~local crackpot(?), but I wouldn't advise it. There's a fellow from Nova Scotia who's been telling the story loudly to anyone who will listen for decades now about how he and his friend were hitchhiking one day and described their idea for a trivia game in detail to the folks who gave them a lift and had it stolen wholesale. He finally definitively lost in court about a decade ago after fighting that fight since the early 90s, but you still see him pop up on a slow news day once in a while, insisting that he's been robbed of his rightful fortune!
Reply With Quote
  #1115  
Old Yesterday, 12:52 PM
Red Hedgehog's Avatar
Red Hedgehog Red Hedgehog is offline
For blood and gold
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 14,235
Default

I love trivia. Bar trivia is great and there are lots of good trivia games.

Trivial Pursuit isn't one of them.

The trivia is great, sure (though it can be iffy when they include stuff from within two years of when the game was published). And I like that there are so many editions, you can choose what works for you or your friends. And I'm very grateful they didn't do multiple choice questions. But the problem with trivial pursuit is:

a) The roll & move. Look, some dice rolling can be a nice visceral thing, so maybe have people roll for category, but bopping back and forth between roll again spaces just lengthens the part of the game where you're not answering trivia. And toward the end of the game, when you're trying to get that last wedge or get to the center, it just feels like you're playing snakes & ladders.

b) The game takes forever. Ok, so not so much if everyone is a trivia whiz, but there's always going be one category people are weak on (hello Sports!). So you keep playing until you land on sports again and then finally get a sports question you can answer.

You can greatly mitigate these problems by just houseruling it so that there's no freakin' board and you just roll for what category you get (conveniently there are six categories) and if you answer that question correctly your turn continues with you choosing your next category (and then your turn ends whether you answered the second question correct or not). You get a wedge for a category if you answer a question in it correctly.

Or you could play a better game, like my #22 choice:
Wits and Wagers

The best part about W&W is that you can play it with people who aren't good at trivia and they will enjoy themselves. This is because W&W rounds take place in two parts:

First a trivia question is read and everyone secretly writes down their answer. Then everyone bets (with poker chips) on which answer they think is correct. So it still helps to be good at trivia, but it helps just as much to realize what other people's core competencies are and bet on them when the question related to something they know.

You can even get into meta-territory where you know everyone will look to you for the answer to a particular question so you purposely write a wrong, but plausible answer. (I did this once with the question "What year was the Nintendo Entertainment System released in North America?" (For this to really work you need to rule that betting is hidden and revealed simultaneously)

So yeah, if you like trivia games, go play something better than Trivial Pursuit.




EDIT: The most hilarious thing about Trivial Pursuit is the sentence in the rulebook that says, "If a player wins the game on their first turn, each other player gets one turn to try to tie them."
Reply With Quote
  #1116  
Old Yesterday, 12:58 PM
spineshark's Avatar
spineshark spineshark is online now
夏の夕暮れと
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 11,521
Default

i actually can't imagine playing trivial pursuit without teams. like, if you don't have enough people for 3+ people on each team, then why wouldn't you just play something else? arguing between multiple people who think they have the answer but don't agree what it is is like, 90% of the fun
Reply With Quote
  #1117  
Old Yesterday, 01:01 PM
Patrick's Avatar
Patrick Patrick is offline
is Earnest
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 17,152
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aturtledoesbite View Post
The list will be over by the time the movies end.
Watch the Theatrical Editions. They're really good.

Also, I don't mean to chastise you for not consuming a piece of media, but I think you should check them out because you would probably enjoy them very much.
Reply With Quote
  #1118  
Old Yesterday, 01:50 PM
Rascally Badger's Avatar
Rascally Badger Rascally Badger is offline
This Guy
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hell, Earth
Posts: 8,503
Default

This is going to sound kind of braggy, but my family won't play trivia games, including the 3 or 4 versions of Trivial Pursuit we own, because I always win. My Mom even took away Bible Trivia because I kept winning. I've just always had a knack for trivia and as a kid I was a giant nerd with no friends who used to sit and read the encyclopedia. Trivial Pursuit is fine. I used to play it with my Grandma at New Years. The adults would have a big game while the kids watched cartoons. My Aunt owned the game and would read the cards in her spare time, so her team won for four or five years straight. But when I was ten or so my Dad and Grandma brought me in as a ringer and we managed to end her reign of terror thanks to my sports knowledge.
Reply With Quote
  #1119  
Old Yesterday, 02:18 PM
Gerad's Avatar
Gerad Gerad is offline
Holy Swine
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,287
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Hedgehog View Post
b) The game takes forever. Ok, so not so much if everyone is a trivia whiz, but there's always going be one category people are weak on (hello Sports!). So you keep playing until you land on sports again and then finally get a sports question you can answer.
Whoa. When I play with my friends, Sports and Leisure is the one everybody is hoping for.
Reply With Quote
  #1120  
Old Yesterday, 02:41 PM
NavelsAreNeat's Avatar
NavelsAreNeat NavelsAreNeat is offline
noble beast
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,873
Default

With Trivial Pursuit, we always work in teams and someone (not me!) knows about sports. IKNOW works a bit like Wits and Wagers, I think.

Trivial Pursuit takes forever even if people generally answer correctly, though.
Reply With Quote
  #1121  
Old Yesterday, 02:55 PM
Kirin's Avatar
Kirin Kirin is offline
Not a Beer
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 18,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Unusual View Post
I also used to run a pub trivia when I was living in Ulsan, South Korea. I wasn't the host every week, but I was essentially the guy who got things ready and gave advice (for example: generally have at least some questions that even if the team can't know the answer, at least they can make an educated guess at).

Also, my team... I wouldn't say usually won, but at least won 40% of the games, particularly in the last half of the year I was there. I've been meaning to do some of the bar trivia in my home town but 1) its hard to make the time and 2) its hard to find someone else to make the time to go with me.
I've been going to our local pub quiz nearly every Wednesday night for like 2.5 years now - it's great fun and also where I met most of the friends I know who actually live in this town. One of them is the British dude who runs it; he used to work for the BBC and bring a great hokey mannerism to the thing. Also twice a year he takes a break from writing and lets teams guest-write a few quizzes, so that's always a lot of fun too.

Back when it first started the team of myself, my wife, and a couple friends of ours dominated, winning more than half the time, with some embarrassingly long streaks that made us worry the other teams were going to beat us up in the parking lot eventually. But then the quiz won some "best of" awards in the local newspaper serving several counties and we got more good teams in from nearby towns, including one that's half made of literal Philosophy Professors who are stupidly good. So now we only win maybe 20% of the time or so.
Reply With Quote
  #1122  
Old Yesterday, 03:05 PM
Destil's Avatar
Destil Destil is online now
TARANTUL
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 20,071
Default

Trivia games were never popular in my house because my dad and my sister (who later went on to win like $40k on millionaire) were too good at them.
Reply With Quote
  #1123  
Old Yesterday, 04:10 PM
Daikaiju's Avatar
Daikaiju Daikaiju is offline
King Of Space-Time
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 14,299
Default

Anyone ever play the spinoff, Ubi?

Reply With Quote
  #1124  
Old Yesterday, 06:26 PM
Octopus Prime's Avatar
Octopus Prime Octopus Prime is offline
Mystery Contraption
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 40,464
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destil View Post
Trivia games were never popular in my house because my dad and my sister (who later went on to win like $40k on millionaire) were too good at them.
Wait, what?
Reply With Quote
  #1125  
Old Yesterday, 06:32 PM
Destil's Avatar
Destil Destil is online now
TARANTUL
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 20,071
Default

She and my dad auditioned for it in Harrisburg and both got high enough scores to be on the show but he had to work that week. Went up to NYC for a weekend with mom and got... I want to say 5 questions right. Ran into one she couldn't answer for sure, used all her lifelines without getting a solid bias and just took the money and walked.



$53k, actually.

Point being, my mom and I don't really stand much of a chance at any form of trivia. We had trivial pursuit, I can remember it making its way to the table all of two times as a kid.
Reply With Quote
  #1126  
Old Yesterday, 07:00 PM
Lady's Avatar
Lady Lady is offline
actually an eevee
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,003
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBear View Post
Are you emailing Unilever for free Bertolli samples or coupons?
Reply With Quote
  #1127  
Old Yesterday, 07:46 PM
Büge's Avatar
Büge Büge is offline
Safe Space
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TO, ON, CA
Posts: 13,780
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destil View Post
She and my dad auditioned for it in Harrisburg and both got high enough scores to be on the show but he had to work that week. Went up to NYC for a weekend with mom and got... I want to say 5 questions right. Ran into one she couldn't answer for sure, used all her lifelines without getting a solid bias and just took the money and walked.



$53k, actually.

Point being, my mom and I don't really stand much of a chance at any form of trivia. We had trivial pursuit, I can remember it making its way to the table all of two times as a kid.
Man, she did way better than I did, when I got in the one at Disney World. I got tripped up right before the 2000 tier because I couldn't remember where the feds caught Lee Harvey Oswald. I still have the "1000" ball cap, but I could have had a t-shirt, too. *sigh*

I console myself with the knowledge that the lady after me lost because she didn't know which bay had the highest waves in the world (it's the Bay of Fundy).
Reply With Quote
  #1128  
Old Yesterday, 10:56 PM
Positronic Brain's Avatar
Positronic Brain Positronic Brain is offline
Out Of Warranty
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Posts: 7,709
Default

My greatest moment of glory among Ms. Brain's friends was when we won a long game of team Trivial Pursuit (a spanish version which had questions that been obviously translated from a US edition) by being the only one in a room of twenty people who knew what Robotech was.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
falselogic ruins #1 , olive oil , top 50 , top 50 countdown

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Your posts ©you, 2007