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Old 08-20-2017, 10:14 PM
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I really want to give a shout out to Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh. No one's going to question there prior credentials - as opposed to, say, Jim Belushi, who has been great in this - but their little Tarantino-facing narrative has been great.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:24 AM
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:42 PM
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I feel like this is the most cinematic Lynch has been in the series so far, outside of the White Sands episode.

The Big Ed/Norma scene was some powerful stuff. I'm
pretty cool if they leave those characters there.

Interesting to see Dark Coop at a loss. Also, I guess his relationship with the woodsmen might be more ambiguous than it originally appeared.

Also, Charlene Yi appears in the episode. Credited as Ruby. Unlikely as it, I would love it if meant that David Lynch watches Steven Universe. Frankly, I would have expected him to be more of an Adventure Time fan.

OK, three episodes left. What will Lynch decide to resolve in that time?

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Old 08-21-2017, 10:35 PM
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I ugly cried this episode. Everyone that's seen it knows why.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:18 AM
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The Roadhouse really feels like hell in this series, or some Lynchian equivalent. I always wince a little when the action shifts there because I know some unpleasant exchange or horrible act of violence will occur. The closing scene in the latest episode really drove this home for me.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:51 AM
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Oh no, Cooper's been electrocuted to death
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:27 PM
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Just for the record this revival has been everything I wanted it to be as well as everything I didn't know I wanted it to be. Every time I've thought I've had a handle on it, it has morphed into something else wonderful and strange. And as a swan song/summation of Lynch I find it almost overwhelming. It really has forced me to realize just what a huge affect his art has had on how I perceive the world.

I mean, look at this, holy shit would you look at this!?!



I am only back to see what Ample Vigor and TRDJ have to say about the MacGregor Mayweather fight.
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People are under a lot of stress Bradley.
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:58 PM
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Well that was an episode
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:45 PM
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Old 08-28-2017, 02:58 PM
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Laura Dern's performance in this episode was amazing and distressing. That Diane carried the trauma of the rape despite being a fabrication struck me as horribly tragic.

It was spelled out during Mr. C's meeting with Jeffries that Twin Peaks' 'tulpas' are not blank slates, but this still blindsided me...

Edit: I didn't catch this immediately, but there was another possible reveal in this episode - that Naido is the real Diane.
"I'm in the Sheriff's office!"

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Old 08-28-2017, 03:00 PM
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To however I disagreed with on the theory that Audrey was dreaming her whole subplot, my apologies, you were totally correct. Which makes sense since in the original series, the last time we saw that character they were blown up. As for whoever said that the Roadhouse was some kind of Hell, it turns out it is a very specific Hell. This was a much bigger twist than I come to expect from Lynch. I mean, it could be from Frost's end, but I always got the impression was that Lynch was the guy who did all the dream/supernatural stuff.

Great episode. I knew that since a long time ago that for Coop, finally getting back to normal would come with heartbreak when he had to leave the Joneses. I hope Coop brings them back a better Dougie,
assuming he's not the


As for the younger Horne.



Which, considering what originally happened to Audrey, seems darkly fitting.
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Old 08-28-2017, 05:38 PM
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As for whoever said that the Roadhouse was some kind of Hell, it turns out it is a very specific Hell.
I don't think it's necessarily Audrey's specific, custom-made Hell, but something related to Bob's wider plot, and the Black Lodge. Guess we'll know more next week ... or not.

Holy balls what an episode.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:20 PM
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To however I disagreed with on the theory that Audrey was dreaming her whole subplot, my apologies, you were totally correct. Which makes sense since in the original series, the last time we saw that character they were blown up.
Well apparently something happened to her in the mean time, since she had Richard with Dark Coop.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:26 PM
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Can't wait for all these loose plot threads to be resolved next week.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:28 AM
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Can't wait for all these loose plot threads to be resolved next week.
This is twin peaks we are talking about. It's not gonna get resolved.
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Hey now, we've got two more episodes to resolve all some of those loose plot threads.

Regarding Diane: her Tulpa insisted she was at the sheriff's before she died, and apparently the eyeless woman's name is Naido...which is awfully close to Diane's. HMMMMM.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:16 AM
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Another person who has a name similar to Diane's and is headed to the Sheriff's station: Candie. Her name can be arranged as Diane C. Also, she acts somewhat similarly to Dougie. Does it mean anything? Who knows.

The last episode was wonderful, but it wouldn't have been nearly as good without the last 14 episodes. The whole season is tops.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:28 AM
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The plot whole I'm wondering about most though is the woman who was going 1-1-9. I mean obvious denizen, but.. Who is she.
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Well. Shit.
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:25 PM
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That was everything I thought and hoped it would be.

Ok maybe not the endless shots of driving but still. What year is it?!
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Old 09-04-2017, 07:47 AM
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What an astounding bit of television this series was.

A quick and tidy ending within the first twenty minutes, resolving the big cliffhanger the original series ended on, while of course leaving all the new questions unanswered before veering off into a new cliffhanger they have no intention of resolving.

Twin Peaks: The Return is a show that's actively hostile towards its audience, the only excuse being that it's absolutely entrancing to watch. I'm ambivalent towards Twin Peaks as a whole, but I loved every inch of The Return.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:51 AM
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Shitting hell, that was a gut-punch of an ending.
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Old 09-04-2017, 04:34 PM
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I'm thinking now that I was wrong about this. It's a show that loves to frustrate its audience, true, and has no qualms about leaving them unmoored, but it also nested a comprehensible plot within the surreal horror. That first bit of Part 17 was a great bit of network TV fluff, and delivered a typical TV climax. They got the happy ending they wanted, but then Cooper tried to keep going, and screwed up.
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Old 09-04-2017, 07:07 PM
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Would it have been more satusfying for him to have given up? Of course he tries to do the impossible, he's Dale Cooper. I can understand why people were frustrated with the series and with the last episode, but I adored the whole thing. Man, what an ending.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:27 PM
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That was a great ending. The show certainly knew how to have its cake and eat it too with an ending that ties up a lot with all of our friends (who aren't Audrey) back together, followed by something altogether beautiful and touching, followed by something harrowing.

Anybody else think that Coop came back wrong yet again?
Once again, he's acting like something is missing. Not a soul like Dark Coop and not a mind like "Doug-e", but certainly something. He's definitely much more stoned face for the latter part of the last two episodes, but I told myself that he has a serious spiritual mission to see through. But I could tell something was very wrong when he took down those jerky cowboys and was pointing his gun at, well, every direction he was looking at.

The big question is was it passing through the electric threshold that did it or was it his failed (?) time travel rescue attempt?

Yeah, I thought we might be left with a lot of unresolved stuff that Lynch has no interest in answering, but I am surprised that we started tonight with so much resolved.

Also, I fully expect that asshole cop who was Richard's friend to be completely devoured by the guy across from him if we ever got back to him.
I also completely expect that the Mitchum Bros decided to move operations to Twin Peaks and are completely reformed, despite the fact they've probably committed countless crimes that they will never pay for.


Whelp, see you in another 25 years!
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Best TV show since the Sopranos. The first thing since prestige TV started that significantly raised the bar and did something no other TV show has ever done. Something new from David Lynch that lives up to his best work. I can't believe we got this and it was this good. I can't believe the ending was that strong. "Laura's" words in the car were so devastating, about the choices we make when we're young, how we think we can just get it in order once we grow up. It's still her story after all, and Dale, incredible as he is, is still out of his depth in some big ways. He's like James. Laura saves James when she abandons him. Even when she slips away from him, she can't save Dale, but she's still the hero.

There's something important about those endless shots of driving, of sweeping up peanut shells, of sitting next to someone without having anything to say. This is it. Every moment. This is your life. You can't go back to the past and relive your youth, and you can't just be plotting what to do next. Your life is mostly banal, but it's your choice whether or not you can learn to appreciate that banality. That guy sweeping up peanut shells is, in some ways, better at accepting reality than Dale is. He enjoys what he's doing, and he does it well. Dale does what he does well, better than anyone else could, but he can't accept it when there's nothing more he can do.


Thanks, David Lynch.
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Old 09-05-2017, 04:28 AM
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Would it have been more satusfying for him to have given up? Of course he tries to do the impossible, he's Dale Cooper.
That's part of what makes it a great ending, yeah. In that last scene, Cooper (or what's left of him) goes from confidence to confusion to being utterly lost. But even when he has no idea what's going on he grasps at whatever straws he can, because he refuses to give up.
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I'm thinking now that I was wrong about this. It's a show that loves to frustrate its audience, true, and has no qualms about leaving them unmoored, but it also nested a comprehensible plot within the surreal horror. That first bit of Part 17 was a great bit of network TV fluff, and delivered a typical TV climax. They got the happy ending they wanted, but then Cooper tried to keep going, and screwed up.
It's definitely antagonistic towards certain kinds of expectations. I think the decisions to have Lucy kill the doppelganger, and for a barely-introduced Freddie to deal with BOB in a goofy boss fight, were made in part to scupper and mock the notion of ending on a tidy showdown against a supervillain. It goes through the grim motions of such an ending but discards it immediately and sets about giving us a harrowing epilogue to FWWM.

A big part of me hopes this is all the resolution we get - that this marks Twin Peaks' grave. It was the best ending. I'd devour more, but I don't need it...

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Old 09-05-2017, 06:20 AM
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Cooper definitely seemed different once he left the sheriff station - still trying to do the right thing like Good Coop, but hard and violent like Bad Coop.

I found the whole finale bewildering but in the end, it was a perfect end to this season. I would love a fourth, but I wouldn't mind this being the end - a lot of questions were answered, but we got left with an even bigger cliffhanger than last time. It was pure Lynch up and down.
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